Let's re-examine Mayweather vs. Mosley for a sec.....

Yesterday I was talking boxing with a good friend of mine, who's also a HUGE boxing fan, and has a lot of inside knowledge, having boxed a bit himself. We were talking about a lot of fights and fighters, when the subject got around to the infamous Mayweather-Mosley fight. That's when my friend said: "That fight must've been fixed. Mosley had to be paid off." Of course, I brushed him off, because I love boxing dearly and prefer not to think of it in those terms. But something about the conversation took me back to the fight itself.

The fight started well enough, with pretty good action. And then came the second round..... BOOM!! Mosley buckles Floyd's knees with a hard right hand. The beginning of the end, right? Wrong. I don't know WHAT THE HELL happened to Mosley after that, but he became a shell of his former self. No only did he not capitalize on that shot... but he completely changed his fighting style. He became defensive, more passive, and allowed Floyd to dominate the rest of the fight. WHY?!? He had Floyd right where he wanted him. Sure... credit to Floyd for coming back from the shot... but what happened to Mosley?

People said... and I was one of them... that the Mosley that destroyed Margarito would've beaten Mayweather that night. And don't get your panties in a bunch, PBF fans. I'm not comparing Mayweather to Margarito. I'm just saying I've NEVER in my life seen such an abrupt change in a fighter smack in the middle of a fight, (especially after he had just stunned Mayweather), as I saw in Mosley that night. Other than the Tito fiasco against Winky (shudder) that has to be one of the most frustrating fights for me ever. Mosley had him in his sights... and just let him go. Yeah, yeah, yeah... Mayweather obviously had a lot to do with that. But nobody can tell me that Mayweather is THAT much better than Mosley. And if Mosley truly aged THAT MUCH during the fight... he should've hung up the gloves right then and there. Question is: Which Mosley are we going to see against Pac?

Mosley started cautiously, then landed the money punch and shot his load trying to follow it up. Tbh I just don't think he has that much left in the tank. He is an old fighter. In these weight categories, he is an ancient fighter. He has his power, but after that big punch he was going for broke and Mayweather recovered very quickly. A younger Mosley would have put him away, but a Mosley at 39 couldn't sustain it and that's why the fight was over. Mosley couldn't pull the switch against Mora either and Mora just got beaten by Vera, a guy that has lost 4 of his last 5. It bodes ominously for Mosley against Pac.

He is an old man in boxing terms and I think that is all there is to it.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Yesterday I was talking boxing with a good friend of mine, who's also a HUGE boxing fan, and has a lot of inside knowledge, having boxed a bit himself. We were talking about a lot of fights and fighters, when the subject got around to the infamous Mayweather-Mosley fight. That's when my friend said: "That fight must've been fixed. Mosley had to be paid off." Of course, I brushed him off, because I love boxing dearly and prefer not to think of it in those terms. But something about the conversation took me back to the fight itself.

The fight started well enough, with pretty good action. And then came the second round..... BOOM!! Mosley buckles Floyd's knees with a hard right hand. The beginning of the end, right? Wrong. I don't know WHAT THE HELL happened to Mosley after that, but he became a shell of his former self. No only did he not capitalize on that shot... but he completely changed his fighting style. He became defensive, more passive, and allowed Floyd to dominate the rest of the fight. WHY?!? He had Floyd right where he wanted him. Sure... credit to Floyd for coming back from the shot... but what happened to Mosley?

People said... and I was one of them... that the Mosley that destroyed Margarito would've beaten Mayweather that night. And don't get your panties in a bunch, PBF fans. I'm not comparing Mayweather to Margarito. I'm just saying I've NEVER in my life seen such an abrupt change in a fighter smack in the middle of a fight, (especially after he had just stunned Mayweather), as I saw in Mosley that night. Other than the Tito fiasco against Winky (shudder) that has to be one of the most frustrating fights for me ever. Mosley had him in his sights... and just let him go. Yeah, yeah, yeah... Mayweather obviously had a lot to do with that. But nobody can tell me that Mayweather is THAT much better than Mosley. And if Mosley truly aged THAT MUCH during the fight... he should've hung up the gloves right then and there. Question is: Which Mosley are we going to see against Pac?

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Maybe exactly the same one, if he cant do it early and Manny takes his best shots and comes back even harder himself.

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Mosley started cautiously, then landed the money punch and shot his load trying to follow it up. Tbh I just don't think he has that much left in the tank. He is an old fighter. In these weight categories, he is an ancient fighter. He has his power, but after that big punch he was going for broke and Mayweather recovered very quickly. A younger Mosley would have put him away, but a Mosley at 39 couldn't sustain it and that's why the fight was over. Mosley couldn't pull the switch against Mora either and Mora just got beaten by Vera, a guy that has lost 4 of his last 5. It bodes ominously for Mosley against Pac.

He is an old man in boxing terms and I think that is all there is to it.

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If that's the case, and you make a good argument... then Mosley is roadkill for Pac. But the aging happened quickly, because the Mosley that destroyed Margarito was awesome. He didn't just use power...... he used guile, movement, and speed.

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Mosley started cautiously, then landed the money punch and shot his load trying to follow it up. Tbh I just don't think he has that much left in the tank. He is an old fighter. In these weight categories, he is an ancient fighter. He has his power, but after that big punch he was going for broke and Mayweather recovered very quickly. A younger Mosley would have put him away, but a Mosley at 39 couldn't sustain it and that's why the fight was over. Mosley couldn't pull the switch against Mora either and Mora just got beaten by Vera, a guy that has lost 4 of his last 5. It bodes ominously for Mosley against Pac.

He is an old man in boxing terms and I think that is all there is to it.

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If that's the case, and you make a good argument... then Mosley is roadkill for Pac. But the aging happened quickly, because the Mosley that destroyed Margarito was awesome. He didn't just use power...... he used guile, movement, and speed.

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You know, I hate the idea of that because I think Mosley is a nice guy and I have loved watching him fight over the years. The idea that he is roadkill is extremely depressing. But there is no escaping it, he has aged. He was out for a good 18 months after Margarito and for an older fighter that is an eternity. It isn't all that quick and he wasn't looking all that hot prior to Margarito either. I thought he looked quite poor against Mayorga until the stoppage and of course Cotto beat him, though I thought that was a fight that could go either way.

Mosley looked really good againt Margarito, but we mustn't underestimate the turmoil that must have been in Margarito's mind with the handwraps. It is also well documented that Margarito was boiling down like a lunatic just to make weight. They didn't take Shane seriously and that's probably another reason they tried to wrap the hands.

Mosley has that as a late career peak, but then a Mayweather beat down, a Mora drab draw and now another fight against the best. There will be no excuses from Pac and Mosley is simply another year older at 40. I am scared for Mosley, I really am.

Fixed? Give me a break, I am not even offended, but it seems so obvious the reason Mosley wasn't able to do what he did in the second round afterwards. But there was no way that Mosley was gased after the second round that is retarded, he unloaded a lot of power punches against Margarito and didn't fatigue, he finished much stronger against Mora, and his pressure continued to build that whole fight, it was jsut a poor style match up.

The reason he couldn't get anything off, and watch the fight again is because Floyd's style wasn't allowing him to. Shane likes to gage your distance with a few weak jabs then come in with something hard, but anytime he tried to find his distance Floyd was peppering him with the jab. FLoyd never let him find his rhythm, and like Emmanuel Steward was saying all night, it was a matter of Shane having worse coordination, worse balance, he's never been the complete fighter Floyd is. I think the same can be said when comparing him to Ray Leonard as well. Shane is a great athlete with really good boxing skills, but he isn't an intuitive boxer.

Watch the fight again, FLoyd made a mistake and got caught by a heavy flush right hand, and he was hurt following onslaught when he was hit by a hook to the temple, but you can tell when Mosley is gearing up to throw something and Floyd either iniated with his own offense which froze Mosley or he would move away defensively. YOu can see that FLoyd is almost moving defensively before Mosley even starts his attack, its because once he settled down, Shane was predictable for him.

Pacquiao doesn't fight with that kind of nuance, he is very good at what he does, and he throws punches from angles and overwhelms opponents with speed, power, and output, but to be able to really freeze a guy you need to make them feel like they can't get off. Floyd made Shane feel like he couldn't land big on the outside once Floyd was more alert, and he also wasn't letting Shane set up a boxing rhythm by really enforcing his jab when Shane started throwing his.

I honestly don't understand how people think Mora would just be a cake walk for Mosley, look at their styles. Mosley is coming in on a quick defensive fighter trying to throw bombs, but Mora has enough durability to survive one punch, and its hard to connect clean. The more you try to assert your offense the more he can find a home for his jab and counter punching. Mosley would have had trouble with Mora stylistically at any point in his career he never did well against anyone with that style.

Taeth, Shane Mosley is an extremely old man in boxing terms, could it not be just that Mosley is old? He looked crap prior to Margarito and has looked crap since. Could it not simply be that he waits too long and cannot pull on the trigger? The man is 40 years old for christs sake. :rolleyes:

Let's not pretend that a 30 year old Mosley could not have competed merrily with Floyd, he could have, but the shell that we have today has nothing. Even Oscar fought far better against Floyd. Mosley was breathing heavy against Cotto after 3 rounds, he did the same against Mayweather. It has nothing to do with adapting, Mosley is old.

If Mosley could somehow stop Pac in his tracks I will rejoice, but let's not pretend that Mosley at 40 offers anything different.

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Taeth, Shane Mosley is an extremely old man in boxing terms, could it not be just that Mosley is old? He looked crap prior to Margarito and has looked crap since. Could it not simply be that he waits too long and cannot pull on the trigger? The man is 40 years old for christs sake. :rolleyes:

Let's not pretend that a 30 year old Mosley could not have competed merrily with Floyd, he could have, but the shell that we have today has nothing. Even Oscar fought far better against Floyd. Mosley was breathing heavy against Cotto after 3 rounds, he did the same against Mayweather. It has nothing to do with adapting, Mosley is old.

If Mosley could somehow stop Pac in his tracks I will rejoice, but let's not pretend that Mosley at 40 offers anything different.

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Yeah... Mosley IS old. I hate that too, miles, 'cause I too like him a lot. He's always been a classy good guy in the world of boxing. Has given us a lot of exciting fights as well. We tend to think that, because the fat cows of the heavyweight division fight into their 50's, that other divisions can do that as well. But it's just not true. We try to hang on to our heroes and make believe age doesn't affect them... but deep inside we know better.

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Taeth, Shane Mosley is an extremely old man in boxing terms, could it not be just that Mosley is old? He looked crap prior to Margarito and has looked crap since. Could it not simply be that he waits too long and cannot pull on the trigger? The man is 40 years old for christs sake. :rolleyes:

Let's not pretend that a 30 year old Mosley could not have competed merrily with Floyd, he could have, but the shell that we have today has nothing. Even Oscar fought far better against Floyd. Mosley was breathing heavy against Cotto after 3 rounds, he did the same against Mayweather. It has nothing to do with adapting, Mosley is old.

If Mosley could somehow stop Pac in his tracks I will rejoice, but let's not pretend that Mosley at 40 offers anything different.

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Yeah... Mosley IS old. I hate that too, miles, 'cause I too like him a lot. He's always been a classy good guy in the world of boxing. Has given us a lot of exciting fights as well. We tend to think that, because the fat cows of the heavyweight division fight into their 50's, that other divisions can do that as well. But it's just not true. We try to hang on to our heroes and make believe age doesn't affect them... but deep inside we know better.

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It angers me, they could have fought Mosley 3 years ago. But only now do they fight him. I've got many fights wrong before, but I really hope that this is another. This more than most.

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Taeth, Shane Mosley is an extremely old man in boxing terms, could it not be just that Mosley is old? He looked crap prior to Margarito and has looked crap since. Could it not simply be that he waits too long and cannot pull on the trigger? The man is 40 years old for christs sake. :rolleyes:

Let's not pretend that a 30 year old Mosley could not have competed merrily with Floyd, he could have, but the shell that we have today has nothing. Even Oscar fought far better against Floyd. Mosley was breathing heavy against Cotto after 3 rounds, he did the same against Mayweather. It has nothing to do with adapting, Mosley is old.

If Mosley could somehow stop Pac in his tracks I will rejoice, but let's not pretend that Mosley at 40 offers anything different.

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Yeah... Mosley IS old. I hate that too, miles, 'cause I too like him a lot. He's always been a classy good guy in the world of boxing. Has given us a lot of exciting fights as well. We tend to think that, because the fat cows of the heavyweight division fight into their 50's, that other divisions can do that as well. But it's just not true. We try to hang on to our heroes and make believe age doesn't affect them... but deep inside we know better.

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It angers me, they could have fought Mosley 3 years ago. But only now do they fight him. I've got many fights wrong before, but I really hope that this is another. This more than most.

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Are you talking about Pac? 'Cause remember, he's only recently been coming up in weight. No way Pac fights Mosley 3 years ago. If you mean Floyd... then yeah, that fight could've happened a long time ago, and the results could've been MUCH different... in Mosley's favor, of course.

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Taeth, Shane Mosley is an extremely old man in boxing terms, could it not be just that Mosley is old? He looked crap prior to Margarito and has looked crap since. Could it not simply be that he waits too long and cannot pull on the trigger? The man is 40 years old for christs sake. :rolleyes:

Let's not pretend that a 30 year old Mosley could not have competed merrily with Floyd, he could have, but the shell that we have today has nothing. Even Oscar fought far better against Floyd. Mosley was breathing heavy against Cotto after 3 rounds, he did the same against Mayweather. It has nothing to do with adapting, Mosley is old.

If Mosley could somehow stop Pac in his tracks I will rejoice, but let's not pretend that Mosley at 40 offers anything different.

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Yeah... Mosley IS old. I hate that too, miles, 'cause I too like him a lot. He's always been a classy good guy in the world of boxing. Has given us a lot of exciting fights as well. We tend to think that, because the fat cows of the heavyweight division fight into their 50's, that other divisions can do that as well. But it's just not true. We try to hang on to our heroes and make believe age doesn't affect them... but deep inside we know better.

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It angers me, they could have fought Mosley 3 years ago. But only now do they fight him. I've got many fights wrong before, but I really hope that this is another. This more than most.

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Are you talking about Pac? 'Cause remember, he's only recently been coming up in weight. No way Pac fights Mosley 3 years ago. If you mean Floyd... then yeah, that fight could've happened a long time ago, and the results could've been MUCH different... in Mosley's favor, of course.

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Roach did suggest that the Pac/Mosley fight could happen but only if Mosley came down to a wondrous weight of 142 pounds. A long time ago, and of course Roach never wanted Manny to go anywhere near Mosley at the time.

After those right hands Mayweather was forced to fight at his best. When he fights at his best, no body comes close and he won the next 10 rounds with absolute brilliance. In fact those right hands probably did enough to save Shane being stopped later on because Floyd wanted to but those shots must have taken a lot to recover from and Floyd probably did not have it to step it up a little to stop Shane later on.

I saw a good video that broke down the adjustments Mayweather made after the 2nd round. Mosley hurt Mayweather with the left to the body followed by a right hand to the head, as Mayweather was open to that combination through his normal defensive stance. After Mayweather was hurt, Mosley shot his load trying to follow up and Mayweather landed some sneaky bodyshots to further take the wind out of him. Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook, which stopped Mosley throwing/landing the right hand again. Couple that with Mosley's age (i.e being shot) and that's why he didn't follow up. Nothing really suspicious about it imo.

I hope Mosley does well against Pacquiao, I really don't want to see him take a one sided beating and possibly get stopped. At the minute that's how I see it going, but I would love to be wrong so we get a competitive fight.

Or perhaps what you saw were the affects of Mosley being off the EPO?

I am a huge Mosley fan but lets face it he relied on his god given ability to much. Thats the reason he never became a complete boxer and the only reason he not like Jones is because of his chin.

This is what I REALLY hate about a lot of boxing/fight fans. They will see Mosley downright destroy Margarito, and will be SHOCKED when he can't do the same thing to a COMPLETELY different fighter. And then when he doesn't do it, its "Oh what happened? There must be something wrong with Mosley!" They say "Oh well if only Mosley THREW MORE PUNCHES he would have won! Why didn't he just do to Floyd what he did to Margarito? I don't get it!".

Not once does the thought occur that maybe Floyd is harder to tag than Margarito is? Maybe just "throwing punches" is not the greatest thing to do against one of the greatest defensive counter punchers the game has ever seen?

Is it possible that Mosley's lack of punch output was due to Floyd being VERY fast, VERY elusive, and Mosley being wary of Floyd's countering ability?

Or is it more believable that a guy like Mosley, who's been in the game his whole life and has held world titles in multiple weight divisions, gassed out after 1 round in the biggest fight of his life?

Agreed, he could not touch Floyd after round 3. Awesome performance.

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This is what I REALLY hate about a lot of boxing/fight fans. They will see Mosley downright destroy Margarito, and will be SHOCKED when he can't do the same thing to a COMPLETELY different fighter. And then when he doesn't do it, its "Oh what happened? There must be something wrong with Mosley!" They say "Oh well if only Mosley THREW MORE PUNCHES he would have won! Why didn't he just do to Floyd what he did to Margarito? I don't get it!".

Not once does the thought occur that maybe Floyd is harder to tag than Margarito is? Maybe just "throwing punches" is not the greatest thing to do against one of the greatest defensive counter punchers the game has ever seen?

Is it possible that Mosley's lack of punch output was due to Floyd being VERY fast, VERY elusive, and Mosley being wary of Floyd's countering ability?

Or is it more believable that a guy like Mosley, who's been in the game his whole life and has held world titles in multiple weight divisions, gassed out after 1 round in the biggest fight of his life?

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You're giving Floyd way too much credit. As different as Margarito is from Floyd, it's also a fact that Mosley has been on the decline as of late. Age is catching up to him. Look at the Sergio Mora fight. Or are you suggesting that Mosley was at his peak when he fought Floyd? He was on the decline. Stage the same fight a few years earlier, and you have a more competitive fight. And BTW, this kinda points out one of the criticisms leveled against PBF in recent years. He fights undersized, or over-the-hill fighters. He's not a risk taker. Being undefeated is probably the worst thing that could have happened to his career, oddly as that sounds. It has kept him from going out there and taking on all comers, without having a frigging "0" to take care of. Of course, Floyd fans will never see it this way, 'cause they're too blinded by all the hype surrounding the guy. He's a great talent to be sure, and probably one of the best of all time. But he's hurting his own legacy by carrying on his career as he has been doing. And time's running out. He needs some "shut-the-critics-up" fights NOW, before his own skills start to erode. Or else he's gonna end up lower in the ATG totem pole than he should be.

Well to be fair Mosley wasn't in his peak when he fought Marg, either. People were saying he was washed up 6 or 7 years ago when he was getting embarrassed by Winky Wright. It wasn't prime Mosley, but it was a very capable and dangerous Mosley. It was a Mosley that all the Floyd haters were rallying behind, saying that "Oh now Floyd's in trouble, he's fighting someone who's just as fast as him and has more power!".

The fact of the matter is, Floyd got caught BIG, but just like he has in every single fight he has had in which he faced adversity (excluding the first JLC fight, which I thought he lost), he made the necessary adjustments and took total control.

So you can hate Mayweather, thats fine and dandy. But if you're going to be one of those people that says "Oh if only Mosley had kept punching/didn't gas out" or "If only Hatton was allowed more time to fight inside" or "If only DLH was 5 years younger when they fought", ect ect ect, then IMO you're going to look foolish.

Floyd is 41-0 for a reason. Great fighters find ways to win. Don't act like he has a horse shoe up his ass and his record is the result of all his opponents suffering various misfortunes before or during the fight. Floyd is a terror to fight against.

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Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook,

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I'm glad someone else noticed this. I remember Mosley trying to jab down stairs in round three and getting hit with a three punch combination.

Truth be told, I actually thought Floyd was being cashed in, I mean Floyd was getting punked in his dressing room and his entrance was a disastrous flop. I figured HBO were giving him the cold shoulder :headscratch:

take the age difference into consideration mate, remember u rnt goin 2 outbox floyd unless he is past his best mosley v floyd fight came down 2 condition only, Shanes trainin isn't to box 12 rounds where as floyd don't want a ko, he wants 2 dominate unlike manny who wants tko & not ko! Floyd will not lose unless past his best & I'm not a floyd fan,I'm a froch fan as he has heart, will, determination & the ability to win combined with power, chin and stamina calzaghe wishes for! And I love calzaghe

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Well to be fair Mosley wasn't in his peak when he fought Marg, either. People were saying he was washed up 6 or 7 years ago when he was getting embarrassed by Winky Wright. It wasn't prime Mosley, but it was a very capable and dangerous Mosley. It was a Mosley that all the Floyd haters were rallying behind, saying that "Oh now Floyd's in trouble, he's fighting someone who's just as fast as him and has more power!".

The fact of the matter is, Floyd got caught BIG, but just like he has in every single fight he has had in which he faced adversity (excluding the first JLC fight, which I thought he lost), he made the necessary adjustments and took total control.

So you can hate Mayweather, thats fine and dandy. But if you're going to be one of those people that says "Oh if only Mosley had kept punching/didn't gas out" or "If only Hatton was allowed more time to fight inside" or "If only DLH was 5 years younger when they fought", ect ect ect, then IMO you're going to look foolish.

Floyd is 41-0 for a reason. Great fighters find ways to win. Don't act like he has a horse shoe up his ass and his record is the result of all his opponents suffering various misfortunes before or during the fight. Floyd is a terror to fight against.

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Fair enough. But if you know anything about me... you know I'll NEVER say two of the three examples you gave. LOL!

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Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook,

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I'm glad someone else noticed this. I remember Mosley trying to jab down stairs in round three and getting hit with a three punch combination.

Truth be told, I actually thought Floyd was being cashed in, I mean Floyd was getting punked in his dressing room and his entrance was a disastrous flop. I figured HBO were giving him the cold shoulder :headscratch:

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Mayweather also fought inside at times. Throwing Mosley off just a little to make him adjust. Then he jab him for about a while.
Losing to Mayweather, do anyone think that Naz will be a bigger and better factor in this fight against Pacman? It seems to me that Naz wanted Shane's speed to throw Mayweather's speed off. Then it was obvious that he wanted Shane to be more active. But against Pacman, he's going to need a gameplan. And a backup plan! And that's what Naz do. He come up with a gameplan for a victory. Shane also said he didn't listen to Naz. I'd always picked Shane to defeat Pacman. But gave him no chance against Mayweather. Style makes fights.

BTW, for the poster that said Shane hurt Floyd to the body, wrong!!! The idea was to make Floyd drop his hands. The same gameplan Floyd uses on his opponents.

Watch Mayweather vs JMM round 2. JMM hit Floyd with the same punch Shane hit Floyd with. Of course more power. But did I just find a flaw?

Should this be another thread?
Name Mayweather's flaws!

Let's not forget that Mosley also had a fight after Mayweather. How did that one go? It went the way you would expect for an aged fighter

Mosley is done, he showed it in the Mayweather fight and this fight aganst Pac will be his retirment fight

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Let's not forget that Mosley also had a fight after Mayweather. How did that one go? It went the way you would expect for an aged fighter

Mosley is done, he showed it in the Mayweather fight and this fight aganst Pac will be his retirment fight

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Mayweather outboxed Mosley. Plain and simple. The age factor came in Shane head when he fought the best boxer in the world. The Mora fight was a nasty fight. Mora style was not good for Mosley. Shane is not a chaser. Mora did make that fight look bad. Now if you bring up the Mayorga fight in which IMO, Shane looked very old. And got lucky the ref didn't force him back to the corner to possibly go to the cards.

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Let's not forget that Mosley also had a fight after Mayweather. How did that one go? It went the way you would expect for an aged fighter

Mosley is done, he showed it in the Mayweather fight and this fight aganst Pac will be his retirment fight

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Mayweather outboxed Mosley. Plain and simple. The age factor came in Shane head when he fought the best boxer in the world. The Mora fight was a nasty fight. Mora style was not good for Mosley. Shane is not a chaser. Mora did make that fight look bad. Now if you bring up the Mayorga fight in which IMO, Shane looked very old. And got lucky the ref didn't force him back to the corner to possibly go to the cards.

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Totally, Mayorga was VERY unlucky to get stopped against Shane. Mosley didn't go to his corner and was allowed to just jump in and land the homerun. If that didn't happen then Mosley would have just about squeaked out a SD win.

I dont think its as simple as Mosley gassing against Floyd. If he was gassed he wouldnt have been able to do another 10 rounds with the best fighter on the planet. He temporarily punched himself out after trying to finish Floyd and after that he was just technically out his depth. He would have always struggled with Floyds style. Just as he would have always struggled with Moras style. He looked washed up vs Mayorga too and he was outboxed by Cotto so nothings new. Some styles bring the best out in him and others dont. I cant see much has changed since the Margarito fight. He has got older but he is still the same guy and loves to fight guys who come at him like Pac will. He expected to lose to Marg aswel when he was considered an unstoppable monster but look what happend. Marg was the only guy willing to take the fight to Shane. Nobody else dared try that. Pac will.

Remember Roach never wanted this fight. Arum chose Shane. Roach has always known Mosley is a problem stylistically for Pac. Nasim will devise a strategy for this fight which will bring the best out in Mosley. Mannys built up a rep fighting guys like Marg and Clottey, Oscar etc but has never met anyone who can do what Shane can. Im not saying Shane will win but its not the fight people are expecting. They are writing off Shane after his last two fights but the point is Shane would always struggle with those guys. Mayweather was all wrong for him and always has been and always will be. Maybe in his youth he would have had the energy to finish Floyd in that 2nd round but on the outside he always comes off 2nd best. He looked like trash for a couple years now but this is a different fight and a different style but same Shane. Same fighter who got owned by Floyd and same one who destroyed Marg. Whos does Pacs style resemble most?

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I saw a good video that broke down the adjustments Mayweather made after the 2nd round. Mosley hurt Mayweather with the left to the body followed by a right hand to the head, as Mayweather was open to that combination through his normal defensive stance. After Mayweather was hurt, Mosley shot his load trying to follow up and Mayweather landed some sneaky bodyshots to further take the wind out of him. Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook, which stopped Mosley throwing/landing the right hand again. Couple that with Mosley's age (i.e being shot) and that's why he didn't follow up. Nothing really suspicious about it imo.

I hope Mosley does well against Pacquiao, I really don't want to see him take a one sided beating and possibly get stopped. At the minute that's how I see it going, but I would love to be wrong so we get a competitive fight.

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That's actually a great assessment of what happened. Mosley didn't hurt Mayweather to the body, he simply shot a left jab to the body to bring Floyd's guard down (which happened) and then went over the top with a right hand that Floyd wasn't taking too seriously. Floyd actually was wanting to fight that fight and wasn't moving like usual when he got caught. Once Floyd shook off the stun, he recognized that he needed to take Shane seriously as a boxer and corrected his mistakes. Also, great catch on the bodywork. Mayweather put in some SERIOUS bodywork on Shane, it's just that he's not a flashy body puncher like Cotto, he's a very effective and UNDERRATED body puncher. Shane was gassed by the fifth due to his age coupled with the bodywork and he started focusing on his stamina instead of trying to figure out another way in.

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Originally Posted by Cressa121

Mosley hurt Mayweather with the left to the body followed by a right hand to the head, as Mayweather was open to that combination through his normal defensive stance.

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That's actually a great assessment of what happened. Mosley didn't hurt Mayweather to the body, he simply shot a left jab to the body to bring Floyd's guard down (which happened) and then went over the top with a right hand that Floyd wasn't taking too seriously.

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I worded the above part of my original post poorly. I didn't mean to suggest the body shot hurt Mayweather, I meant to say what I've emboldened from your post, that the right hand that hurt Mayweather was set up by the left to the body, as it brought his guard down.