Light Heavy Lineage.

After a bit of research I've put together what was asked a month or so ago:
The History of the Linear World Light Heavyweight Title.

NAME REIGN RECORD Nationality
Jack Root 1902 1903 46-3-3 (26) U.S.A

George Gardiner 1903 1903 44-12-7 Ireland

Bob Fitzsimmons 1903 1905 50-8-5 (44) U.K.

Philadelphia Jack O'Brien 1905 134-11-24 (54) U.S.A

Jack Dillon 1914 1916 178-23-30 (67) u.s.a

Battling Levinsky 1916 1920 195-54-36 (31) U.S.A

Georges Carpentier 1920 1922 88-15-6 (57) France

Battling Siki 1922 1924 64-25-5 (35) Senegal

Mike McTigue 1923 1925 108-46-13 (52) Ireland

Paul Berlenbach 1925 1926 42-8-3 (35) U.S.A

Jack Delaney 1926 1927 77-13-2 (44) u.s.a

Tommy Loughran 1927 96-24-9 (17) U.S.A

Maxie Rosenbloom 1932 1934 223-42-32 (19) U.S.A

Bob Olin 1934 1935 55-27-4 (25) U.S.A

John Henry Lewis 1935 1939 103-9-6 (60) U.S.A

Billy Conn 1939 1941 63-11-1 (14) U.S.A

Gus Lesnevich 1941 1948 59-14-5 (23) U.S.A

Freddie Mills 1948 1950 76-18-7 (49) England

Joey Maxim 1950 1952 82-29-4 (21) U.S.A

Archie Moore 1952 1962 194-26-8 (145) U.S.A

Harold Johnson 1962 1963 b 76-10-0 (32) U.S.A

Willie Pastrano 1963 1965 63-13-8 (14) U.S.A

Jose Torres 1965 1966 43-1-3-1 (29) Puerto Rico

Dick Tiger 1966 1968 60-18-3 Nigeria

Bob Foster 1968 1974 56-8-1 (46) USA

Michael Spinks 1983 1985 31-1-0 (21) USA

Virgil Hill 1996 1997 50-6-0 (23) usa

Dariusz Michalzewski 1997 2003 48-2-0 (38) Poland

Julio Gonzalez 2004 39-4-0 (23) Mexico

Roy Jones Jr, 2004 USA

Antonio Tarver 2004 USA

*Bernard Hopkins 2007 USA


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hitmandonny

How do you go from Darius to Gonzalez to Jones when Jones beat Gonzalez before Gonzalez beat Darious.

I know Jones is a lot of people's favorite fighter and I know he is possibly the greatest fighter of our generation but you can't just change the rules in order to give the lineage to the man you want.

JONES WAS NEVER THE LINEAL CHAMPION, get over it. Its not like it's that big of a deal anyway.

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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan

hitmandonny

How do you go from Darius to Gonzalez to Jones when Jones beat Gonzalez before Gonzalez beat Darious.

I know Jones is a lot of people's favorite fighter and I know he is possibly the greatest fighter of our generation but you can't just change the rules in order to give the lineage to the man you want.

JONES WAS NEVER THE LINEAL CHAMPION, get over it. Its not like it's that big of a deal anyway.

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See the bottom, styill being edited.
Jones beat Woods for the title in 2002. At stake were the WBC WBA IBF WBO IBO IBA and NBA world light heavyweight titles.

Woods later beat Gonzalez in 2005.

But as I said I had'nt finished the list and had merely tried to acknowledge the best champion at the time.
Check between Foster and Spinks, there was similar confusion at that time.

I'm attempting to clarify a situation and pardon me for posting an unfinished list I had compiled.
Perhaps in future you could offer some contribution, rather than criticising aimlessly.

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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan

hitmandonny

How do you go from Darius to Gonzalez to Jones when Jones beat Gonzalez before Gonzalez beat Darious.

I know Jones is a lot of people's favorite fighter and I know he is possibly the greatest fighter of our generation but you can't just change the rules in order to give the lineage to the man you want.

JONES WAS NEVER THE LINEAL CHAMPION, get over it. Its not like it's that big of a deal anyway.

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See the bottom, styill being edited.
Jones beat Woods for the title at that time.
Woods had beaten Gonzalez in 2001 I believe. But as I said I had'nt finished the list and had merely tried to acknowledge the best champion at the time.
Check between Foster and Spinks, there was similar confusion at that time.

I'm attempting to clarify a situation and pardon me for posting an unfinished list I had compiled.
Perhaps in future you could offer some contribution, rather than criticising aimlessly.

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Sorry if I came of as rude but we went through this last month and I just don't understand the confusion.

If it is determined as fact that the Hill - Maske fight was for the Lineal Championship than there is no doubt that the Lineal Champion is Erdei.

Vergill Hill beat Maske to claim the the lineage

Dariusz beat Hill in 1997 before Jones did.

Dariusz did not lose, did not retire and did not move up in weight, which are the ONLY ways to lose or vacate a lineal title, untill he fought Gonzalez and loss in 2003.

On his very next fight Gonzalez lossed to Erdei in 2004

Erdei is still campaigning as a Light Heavy and has not lossed, ergo he is the Lineal Lightheavyweight Champion.

The only way to dispute this (and this is not an opinion, it is the way it is) is by claiming that the Hill Maske fight was not for the Lineal Title. If the Hill Maske fight was for the lineal title than Erdei is the current Lineal champion.

Did I contribut this time ;)

I thought this had been settled?
I know your still making edits....

RJJ can't be lineal cause when he beat Julio, Julio hadn't even fought Dariusz so that means he wasn't Lineal yet.

Just attempting to clarify how we got to today's situation, still clarification needed in the 70's and lately. Rjj will be off the list as the only reason he was therecwas because of lack of clarity at the time.

Nothing to do with lineage but Bob foster has to be one of my favourites from that list....What a Champ he was.