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    Default Re: NASA says humans could land on Mars in 25 years

    Sorry didn't reply to the last part about why.

    I could speculate, 19 billion a year, more land etc, but I try to concentrate on the stuff I have experience with and can observe. Water, photograph, physics, astrology. The physics stuff was really to use their story and prove it wrong.
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    Did it ever occur that maybe you made a mistake with your experiment?

    I don't understand why everyone would be lying? You're not just claiming all the millions of pictures of the earth are faked by the government, but any Tom, Dick and Abdul can do a simple experiment which proves the earth is flat.

    You claimed earlier that "Lucy" was proved to be fake, right? Yet it was a scientist who revealed a fragment of bone wasn't right which led to dozens of experts reexamining everything. Maybe you're right but I find it even harder to believe so many scientists know the earth is flat yet happily delude themselves.
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    Default Re: NASA says humans could land on Mars in 25 years

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    You're asking for evidence you can actually observe even though you don't believe the science or sources.

    If you had spent every single day for dozens and dozens of years observing an ape in a locked cage, then took a holiday and returned to find it replaced by a human in a three-piece suit, you wouldn't claim - "Blimey! They've been right all along. Evolution is kosher." You'd ask who's stole your bloody ape.
    Again I'll point you the the scientific method, must be observed and repeatable, I'm just asking for 1 piece of observable evidence. Just 1. Darwin spoke of a change in kinds, can you give me an example of this change in kinds? Don't say finches, because although the beak size changed, they were still finches. Same with bacteria, still bacteria.
    What did Darwin mean by "Kinds?" Can you give me the actual quote?
    I never said Darwin said a difference of kinds, I said he spoke of a difference of kinds. It think the kinds arguement comes from the religious side. It's been a minute since I visited Origins but simply it's the thought that all life is related and has descended from a common ancestor. I do recall him mentioning something about life being breathed into a few forms or into one. Maybe mordern science f-cked him, with the theory of 1.
    When I speak of kinds, I'm talking genetic kinds and animal types.
    Evolution appears to define Entropy the 2nd law of thermal dynamics. It also violates biogenisis. We've never seen a cell come from nothing, or a DNA strand come from nothing.
    The chances of a single cell forming from nothing are considered mathmatically absurd.
    Mendel's laws of genetics puts raises flaws in the evolution theory.
    All the fake missing links. I've got textbooks from elder members of my family that claimed humans were 98% identical genetically to chimps. Turns out that was a lie, modern comparison techniques puts it closer to 79-80%, the same we also share with pigs and horses.
    Beyond that the biggest smoking gun disproving human evolution is the Y chromosome. The Y chromosome doesn't fully recombinate with the X chromosome in men like the two X chromosomes can in women. It stays very consistent through generations, and when comparing the Y chromosomes of any of the primate species compared to humans the difference gets even greater sharing only about 60% of the same genes. So an almost unchanging chromosome from generation to generation hasn't had enough time to account for such a huge difference from the supposed divergence of our common primate ancestors we descended from til today.

    There's some much more but look into it for yourself. I'm not going to tell you what to believe, I'm just giving my thoughts and beliefs.
    Do you understand "humans came from apes" doesn't mean modern apes turned into us, right? That's why you can't observe it. They mean we are related to the same family - cousins.
    I understand the theory of evolution. I just don't understand why we don't have millions of these transitional creatures along the fossil record.
    While Darwin predicted that the fossil record would show species with intermediate or transitional features, it was virtually unexplored at the time. Knowing what he knew about rarity of fossilization and incomplete nature the geologic record, Darwin actually imagined the record was so poor, it was likely paleontologists would never find the transitional fossils.

    In 1859, when On the Origin of Species was published, very few fossils had been discovered and described. It was only in the early 19th century that fossils of ancient beasts like dinosaurs were formally identified. These days, with millions of specimens resting in museum drawers, no one would say paleontologists don’t have enough material to work with for many, many lifetimes - with more and more to be discovered.


    Famous Transitional Fossils That Support Evolution
    Archaeopteryx
    Pakicetus and other amphibious whales
    Pezosiren portelli
    Tiktaalik

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaenam...ort-evolution/
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    Default Re: NASA says humans could land on Mars in 25 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Did it ever occur that maybe you made a mistake with your experiment?

    I don't understand why everyone would be lying? You're not just claiming all the millions of pictures of the earth are faked by the government, but any Tom, Dick and Abdul can do a simple experiment which proves the earth is flat.

    You claimed earlier that "Lucy" was proved to be fake, right? Yet it was a scientist who revealed a fragment of bone wasn't right which led to dozens of experts reexamining everything. Maybe you're right but I find it even harder to believe so many scientists know the earth is flat yet happily delude themselves.
    Your welcome to do experiments yourself. Try to explain how satellites are able to stay in the thermoshpere of anywhere between 1500 - 2500 degrees at roughly 560kn up. Aluminum melts at around 600 degrees. Now if you heat anything, it will expand. They tell us that because of the heat the gases and particulars are spread far apart due to expanding away from each other, this is basically what they tell us to explain how the ISS/ satellites don't get affected by the heat and melt. Ok so that's their explanation on why they don't get hot. But then how does it get cold? Should be a 2 way street. If there's no air in space for the heat to radiate into, to move through, through conduction or convection, how does heat leave? Right? Only light can transfer energy through space as we're told. On earth you have to have some sort of medium for it to travel through, this is common accepted truth. Heat has to move through something, unless it's light. So the question was, how does heat that builds up inside the space station get out? Right? There's an imaginary barrier around the space station that doesn't allow heat to get in or out, how does this work? Satellites are made of metal and dense matter and they're cool, they are going to absorb that light too, how do they not? How does it choose to heat the atmosphere but not the satellites. That defies logic. The solar panels also absorb light to make electricity, lets say they can work in 1500 degrees temperatures, shouldn't they be transferring heat into the station through the matter they're connected with? Metals conduct heat, basically all matter does, hot goes to cold. How does this work? We have to obey our laws of science. In my opinion this disobeys the 2nd law of thermaldynamics, so it's contradicting the method of analysis.

    Like I said, do the science for yourself. Check it for yourself. Prove it to yourself.

    Again just because you feel the secret is to big, isn't proof that it's not happening.

    I don't really care about being right, I know what I know, and what I have been able to see and do. And you can do some easy stuff yourself. All I ask is that people do their own research. If you watched that vid about faking space, and still choose to believe that you're not being lied to, that's fine, but that's why they can get away with it.
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    Default Re: NASA says humans could land on Mars in 25 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
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    You're asking for evidence you can actually observe even though you don't believe the science or sources.

    If you had spent every single day for dozens and dozens of years observing an ape in a locked cage, then took a holiday and returned to find it replaced by a human in a three-piece suit, you wouldn't claim - "Blimey! They've been right all along. Evolution is kosher." You'd ask who's stole your bloody ape.
    Again I'll point you the the scientific method, must be observed and repeatable, I'm just asking for 1 piece of observable evidence. Just 1. Darwin spoke of a change in kinds, can you give me an example of this change in kinds? Don't say finches, because although the beak size changed, they were still finches. Same with bacteria, still bacteria.
    What did Darwin mean by "Kinds?" Can you give me the actual quote?
    I never said Darwin said a difference of kinds, I said he spoke of a difference of kinds. It think the kinds arguement comes from the religious side. It's been a minute since I visited Origins but simply it's the thought that all life is related and has descended from a common ancestor. I do recall him mentioning something about life being breathed into a few forms or into one. Maybe mordern science f-cked him, with the theory of 1.
    When I speak of kinds, I'm talking genetic kinds and animal types.
    Evolution appears to define Entropy the 2nd law of thermal dynamics. It also violates biogenisis. We've never seen a cell come from nothing, or a DNA strand come from nothing.
    The chances of a single cell forming from nothing are considered mathmatically absurd.
    Mendel's laws of genetics puts raises flaws in the evolution theory.
    All the fake missing links. I've got textbooks from elder members of my family that claimed humans were 98% identical genetically to chimps. Turns out that was a lie, modern comparison techniques puts it closer to 79-80%, the same we also share with pigs and horses.
    Beyond that the biggest smoking gun disproving human evolution is the Y chromosome. The Y chromosome doesn't fully recombinate with the X chromosome in men like the two X chromosomes can in women. It stays very consistent through generations, and when comparing the Y chromosomes of any of the primate species compared to humans the difference gets even greater sharing only about 60% of the same genes. So an almost unchanging chromosome from generation to generation hasn't had enough time to account for such a huge difference from the supposed divergence of our common primate ancestors we descended from til today.

    There's some much more but look into it for yourself. I'm not going to tell you what to believe, I'm just giving my thoughts and beliefs.
    Do you understand "humans came from apes" doesn't mean modern apes turned into us, right? That's why you can't observe it. They mean we are related to the same family - cousins.
    I understand the theory of evolution. I just don't understand why we don't have millions of these transitional creatures along the fossil record.
    While Darwin predicted that the fossil record would show species with intermediate or transitional features, it was virtually unexplored at the time. Knowing what he knew about rarity of fossilization and incomplete nature the geologic record, Darwin actually imagined the record was so poor, it was likely paleontologists would never find the transitional fossils.

    In 1859, when On the Origin of Species was published, very few fossils had been discovered and described. It was only in the early 19th century that fossils of ancient beasts like dinosaurs were formally identified. These days, with millions of specimens resting in museum drawers, no one would say paleontologists don’t have enough material to work with for many, many lifetimes - with more and more to be discovered.


    Famous Transitional Fossils That Support Evolution
    Archaeopteryx
    Pakicetus and other amphibious whales
    Pezosiren portelli
    Tiktaalik

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaenam...ort-evolution/
    I like that you said support, not prove. There's so much to go into here. DNA wasn't around then yet either. Again carbon dating is only accurate to roughly 60,000 years. Anything beyond that is speculation. But I would challenge you to visit any dinosaur exhibition, and while there ask what displays have real dinosaur fossil's. I can guarantee it will be none. They'll give you some story about keeping the real ones locked away safely.
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    Default Re: NASA says humans could land on Mars in 25 years

    I have seen many programmes where children/adults have sent cameras on balloons into the atmosphere and the world looks round. They explode and come back down to earth. The cost now is relatively cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I have seen many programmes where children/adults have sent cameras on balloons into the atmosphere and the world looks round. They explode and come back down to earth. The cost now is relatively cheap.
    It will be a fish eyed lense, like a go pro.

    And just back to the claim that I am saying the images are fake, NASA freely admits that the images of earth have been photo shopped. Other images you can download from NASAs official gallery, download some free photo forensic software and find evidence for yourself that images have been altered or shadowed areas display no sign of noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I have seen many programmes where children/adults have sent cameras on balloons into the atmosphere and the world looks round. They explode and come back down to earth. The cost now is relatively cheap.
    It will be a fish eyed lense, like a go pro.

    And just back to the claim that I am saying the images are fake, NASA freely admits that the images of earth have been photo shopped. Other images you can download from NASAs official gallery, download some free photo forensic software and find evidence for yourself that images have been altered or shadowed areas display no sign of noise.
    I would love to take you in a rocket and show you the world is round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
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    I have seen many programmes where children/adults have sent cameras on balloons into the atmosphere and the world looks round. They explode and come back down to earth. The cost now is relatively cheap.
    It will be a fish eyed lense, like a go pro.

    And just back to the claim that I am saying the images are fake, NASA freely admits that the images of earth have been photo shopped. Other images you can download from NASAs official gallery, download some free photo forensic software and find evidence for yourself that images have been altered or shadowed areas display no sign of noise.
    I would love to take you in a rocket and show you the world is round.
    Your common sense tells you a pressurised system needs some sort of containment or the gases will float away (think a can if deodorant for example), our atmosphere has no containment, and what's worse they tell you it's side by side with a vacuum.

    You believe the earth is what shape now? I can't keep up with the changes. The had to create the tilt because of polarise. Now the earth is pear shaped. Funny cause all those photo shopped images of earth look round.
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    Default Re: NASA says humans could land on Mars in 25 years

    The flat earth troll stuff is really weird(and funny) to read (the ancient Greeks worked it out over two thousand years ago).Even though it total troll stuff or the words of the deranged or both(aka kanye west), it is actually a really good oportunity for people to learn some physics and astronomy(and that satellites really don't defy the second law of thermodynamics.... errrr wot), so you can learn some stuff rather than the earth is round coz it looks round. Astronomy is actually pretty cool.

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    Default Re: NASA says humans could land on Mars in 25 years

    What are the odds that we're one of the only flat planets though. Or the only one, and exactly how many known spherical planets can be seen with the naked eye across the World or with high powered telescopes, observatories etc. If one is a flat Earther do we dispute that these are 'known' Planets to begin with?

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    Default Re: NASA says humans could land on Mars in 25 years

    NASA’s InSight Mars Lander set for historic touch down on the Red Planet

    https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa...the-red-planet



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    Quote Originally Posted by palmerq View Post
    The flat earth troll stuff is really weird(and funny) to read (the ancient Greeks worked it out over two thousand years ago).Even though it total troll stuff or the words of the deranged or both(aka kanye west), it is actually a really good oportunity for people to learn some physics and astronomy(and that satellites really don't defy the second law of thermodynamics.... errrr wot), so you can learn some stuff rather than the earth is round coz it looks round. Astronomy is actually pretty cool.
    How did they measure the temperature of the thermosphere in the first place? Because the gas particles in the thermosphere are spread to far apart that not enough particles collide with the tip of a thermometer to make it show a hot temperature, because heat is actually kenetic energy and a thermometer works basically by measuring the energy being transferred to it.

    The first law of thermal dynamics basically says heat is kenetic energy.

    The second law of thermaldynamics basically says that in terms of heat, will move to a colder area, because something that's hot/ heat has a higher energy than the energy in something that's cold.

    It would be great if people could actually learn something.
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    Flat, round, elliptical, pear-shaped...... you just have to ask yourself what geometrical shape is more logical to be hurtling through space without undue stresses, and where everything is pretty symmetrical. I don't think we have to delve into quantum physics to surmise that something close to a sphere is the natural shape that is more conducive to traveling through space as a celestial body.

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    Default Re: NASA says humans could land on Mars in 25 years

    @Alpha @TitoFan just came across this thought it was fitting.

    The head of Russia’s Roscosmos space agency has said that a proposed Russian mission to the moon will be tasked with verifying that the American moon landings were real, though he appeared to be making a joke.

    “We have set this objective to fly and verify whether they’ve been there or not,” said Dmitry Rogozin in a video posted Saturday on Twitter.

    Rogozin was responding to a question about whether or not NASA actually landed on the moon nearly 50 years ago. He appeared to be joking, as he smirked and shrugged while answering. But conspiracies surrounding NASA’s moon missions are common in Russia.

    The Soviet Union abandoned its lunar program in the mid-1970s after four experimental moon rockets exploded.

    https://www.apnews.com/1966a07c5a63419fb825ed7a92cec8de

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