Who was the greatest heavyweight: JOE LOUIS or MUHAMMAD ALI

[undefeated]

louis is offically known as the greatest by so called boxing experts- but i say ali--was in golden era and had the toughest opposition. Louis did not have another great heavyweight to really test him and give him a challenge

could louis have beaten liston, foreman, frazier? i dont think he could have--but ali did.

could ali have beaten schmeling, conn and 2ton toni?--with his eyes closed

could ali have beaten louis?--sure--ali could take any punch and fighter could dish out--if he could survive liston and foreman--he could survive joe
he would win by a ud

this post is not 2 take anything away from louis--i just think he is 2nd best nxt 2 ali

[stavros693000]

hands down.... ALI BOOM-AYE

[Taeth]

Ali easily.. I think he fought the best competition of any fighter, and also IMO is probably who I consider as much a contender for best fighter p4p as Ray Robinson... he beat Fraizer, Foreman, Shavers, Norton, Liston, Jimmy Young, Ron Lyle, Patterson, Chuvalo, Quartey, Ellis, Archie Moore, Karl Mildenberger, Cleveland Williams, Ernie Terrell.

[Klitsfan]

Joe Louis in my book.Joe held the Heavyweight Championship longer than any other Champion; Louis scored 43 knockdowns in his first 22 Professional bouts; Only Jack Kranz and Hans Birkie were not floored; He fought as an amateur light-heavyweight (175-lb class); His amateur record reportedly was 50-4 with 43 knockouts
Here is a good video of him(you can turn down the music I did)
[youtube=425,350]lnTDtqiYzww[/youtube]

[TheBESTP4P]

cool video but i had to turn the sound off once EMF came on haahha

[Taeth]

Joe Louis in my book.Joe held the Heavyweight Championship longer than any other Champion; Louis scored 43 knockdowns in his first 22 Professional bouts; Only Jack Kranz and Hans Birkie were not floored; He fought as an amateur light-heavyweight (175-lb class); His amateur record reportedly was 50-4 with 43 knockouts
Here is a good video of him(you can turn down the music I did)
[youtube=425,350]lnTDtqiYzww[/youtube]

He was fighting bums though... I doubt he could have beaten Liston.

[ICB]

Ali easily.. I think he fought the best competition of any fighter, and also IMO is probably who I consider as much a contender for best fighter p4p as Ray Robinson... he beat Fraizer, Foreman, Shavers, Norton, Liston, Jimmy Young, Ron Lyle, Patterson, Chuvalo, Quartey, Ellis, Archie Moore, Karl Mildenberger, Cleveland Williams, Ernie Terrell.

u mention them there good names but i have to be honest he got gift decision against jimmy young alot of people thought he lost and alot of people think norton won all 3 fights with ali and u cant even put up archie moore he was 46 at the time i believe and alot of people think shavers did enough to win aswell but he did fight best opp and i admire him for that but he did get quite a few gift decisions and im ali fan and i have to admit it

[Punisher136]

He might not of had the best oppostition but even if you put Louis in the golden era i still believe he'd be a factor. I chose ali just simply because if you ask someone who isn't even a casual fan of boxing to tell you the first name that pops into their head when you say boxing it will either be Ali, De la Hoya, or Tyson. I think to be a great boxer you have to be charismatic in interviews. Another factor is that he just fought too far back for people to really know him if they aren't a fan of the sport. As for skill wise, they had two different styles but each perfected his own. It comes down to what you consider greatness to be: 1. Someone who had the greatest title reign in boxing history let alone in heavyweight history or 2. Someone who became the first 3 time world champion in heavyweight history along the way avenging all of his losses b4 the 80's.

[El Kabong]

Joe Louis....25 successful title defenses....best ever!

Ali did very well but I have him at 3rd....I have Rocky Marciano at #2 because he was undefeated...say what you will about who he fought....HE NEVER LOST

[Kev]

Joe Louis....25 successful title defenses....best ever!

Ali did very well but I have him at 3rd....I have Rocky Marciano at #2 because he was undefeated...say what you will about who he fought....HE NEVER LOST

He should have lost to La Starza first time around, he got a gift in that fight

[Cortez The Killer]

Joe Louis in my book.Joe held the Heavyweight Championship longer than any other Champion; Louis scored 43 knockdowns in his first 22 Professional bouts; Only Jack Kranz and Hans Birkie were not floored; He fought as an amateur light-heavyweight (175-lb class); His amateur record reportedly was 50-4 with 43 knockouts
Here is a good video of him(you can turn down the music I did)
[youtube=425,350]lnTDtqiYzww[/youtube]

He was fighting bums though... I doubt he could have beaten Liston.

And you think Ali beat a legit Listion? At least the second time he sure as hell didn't. And Liston was past it in both fights anyways. Add the mafia and the whole thing smells like fish.

[El Kabong]

If you like Ali and think he's the Greatest just because it's everyone else's opinion then you're an idiot....if you are knowledgeable enough to prove in a debate why he's the greatest of all time then I respect your opinion.

And ignorance shows when people say things like "Joe Louis couldn't beat Sonny Liston"....prime for prime Joe Louis would have made Liston look SILLY

[Pugilistic]

they are both great heavyweights. i aint going to say who is better because they are both as good as each other

[undefeated]

Joe Louis....25 successful title defenses....best ever!

Ali did very well but I have him at 3rd....I have Rocky Marciano at #2 because he was undefeated...say what you will about who he fought....HE NEVER LOST

He should have lost to La Starza first time around, he got a gift in that fight

actually it would have been a draw-check the facts--but since he floored lastarza they gave it 2 him.--so his record would have been 48-0-1

[Taeth]

If you like Ali and think he's the Greatest just because it's everyone else's opinion then you're an idiot....if you are knowledgeable enough to prove in a debate why he's the greatest of all time then I respect your opinion.

And ignorance shows when people say things like "Joe Louis couldn't beat Sonny Liston"....prime for prime Joe Louis would have made Liston look SILLY

Your ignorance is that you can't even acknowledge that Liston was a superior version of Louis... He was way stronger, and just as good of a boxer.