smoking joe... frazier

[El Kabong]

Ali never had it easy with Frazier...not in 1, 2, or 3!!! All of those fights Joe took Ali to the MAX!!!!

[Trainer Monkey]

Holmes couldn't take the pressure or the power for a full 15....Holmes had more power than Ali but he wasn't as good or as fast.



Wow AYALA....there's ONE example....you still haven't sold me on Louis using it

Heres another
Liston
Dude it was another era
Louis should have never come back,he did it for money,mainly to feed the feds and drugs
Nobody knew how bad those drugs were at the time
Let alone champs who are getting it for free,just for the champ

[ICB]

Holmes couldn't take the pressure or the power for a full 15....[/b]
Holmes had more power than Ali but he wasn't as good or as fast.


Wow AYALA....there's ONE example....you still haven't sold me on Louis using it

Ken Norton vs Larry Holmes ?? oh jeez made right mess of quoting haha but anyway what im trying to say is you were saying Holmes can't take pressure or power for 15 rounds but Ken Norton done it to Holmes so thats wrong imo.

[El Kabong]

Ken didn't hit as hard as Joe and Norton wasn't as good of a boxer either. Joe fought from bell to bell!

Frazier lost 4 times....2 to Ali, 2 to Foreman

Norton got thumped by every power puncher he ever fought....he did well vs Ali and Holmes

[ICB]

Ken didn't hit as hard as Joe and Norton wasn't as good of a boxer either. Joe fought from bell to bell!

Frazier lost 4 times....2 to Ali, 2 to Foreman

Norton got thumped by every power puncher he ever fought....he did well vs Ali and Holmes

Norton does hit quite hard though he had good power imo and he pressures you all time like he did vs Ali and like he did vs Holmes and like i said Ali fought on ropes alot against Frazier except for 2nd fight when he beat Frazier quite comfortably by sticking and moving and Holmes would do same as well except Holmes jab was harder than Ali's and Frazier's face would look mess with all them hard stiff jabs he would be taking from Holmes.

[El Kabong]

Holmes' chin wasn't as good as Ali's....and his mobility wasn't as good either. Holmes had stiffer punches but he couldn't throw them as fast as Ali did.

I just think Frazier would work Holmes over

[ICB]

Holmes' chin wasn't as good as Ali's....and his mobility wasn't as good either. Holmes had stiffer punches but he couldn't throw them as fast as Ali did.

I just think Frazier would work Holmes over

Holmes chin was bloody good though mate how hell he got up from that shavers knockdown i'll never know ok lets settle this now then 12 rounds Holmes wins decision 15 rounds Frazier wins by tko agreed ??