Anybody think Pac has lost 5 fights and JMM has only lost 1??

[BIG H]

Probably the majority believe JMM won both fights with Pac and the majority think JMM was robbed against Chris John, so the would make their records as follows:

Pac 48-5-1

JMM 53 -1 (+ 1 DQ)

[Taeth]

Not even close to the majority think Marquez won both fights, I have only seen spanish/mexicans who think Marquez won the second fight, they still can't give a logical round by round reason why they believe he won the second fight, they say what rounds, but when I go through the rounds punch by punch they have no answer for the truth.

[Fenster]

I think Marquez won both fights. I'm not Spanish/Mexican.

[Gandalf]

Marquez got the better of Manny quite handily IMO too. So, I have no problems with those revised records.

[J_C]

I had Pac winning the 1st and the second as a draw, so I thought justice was done overall. Ive only seen them the once each though, may take another gander and see if I come up with different scores this time. What you scored it 1st time live is obviously the most important though.

Never seen the Chris John fight so I'll have to check that out

[Taeth]

I think Marquez won both fights. I'm not Spanish/Mexican.

DO you have your round by round scores? I don't mean to discriminate, but its generally guys of spanish decent who favor Marquez. Either its generally in round 1 and 11 that people give Marquez the nod, even though he clearly won neither round.

[XaduBoxer]

Converting 3 official losses to wins is a bit of a stretch eventhough those fights were close fights... I'm aware of this issue since I've read JMM claiming all his losses were robberies...

What this thing will tell us is, JMM most likely will lose a decision in a close fight... JMM's style is not judge friendly... Judges will not favor his counterpunching style against the one with more aggressive style of boxing... Better for JMM to really dominate or KO his opponent just like what he had done lately... With that said, I predict JMM will NOT win via decision over PBF (even if the 2 has similar styles, PBF just the more accurate counterpuncher)... He needs to KO/TKO the bigger PBF in order to get a victory...
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[robinswe01]

Probably the majority believe JMM won both fights with Pac and the majority think JMM was robbed against Chris John, so the would make their records as follows:

Pac 48-5-1

JMM 53 -1 (+ 1 DQ)

Yeah, I'd go along with that. I thought JMM won both fights with Pac. Officially, pac should have won the first fight really. I just watched their first fight and one of the judges scored the first round 10-7 instead of 10-6. He's the one who scored it an exact draw. So Pac should have won my 1 point on his card.

I had JMM 113-111.

[SweetPea]

I had Pacquiao winning both fights by 1 point. However, both fights had several close rounds, and someone could think Marquez won both without being biased.

I think to state that there's no way someone could think Marquez won both fights without being biased is ridiculous.

[left cross]

Not even close to the majority think Marquez won both fights, I have only seen spanish/mexicans who think Marquez won the second fight, they still can't give a logical round by round reason why they believe he won the second fight, they say what rounds, but when I go through the rounds punch by punch they have no answer for the truth.

I agree. As a JMM fan, I've watched the 2nd fight numerous times in my attempt to come up with a score that would favor JMM but to be honest pac came out the close winner each time over Dinamita. No more history revisionism.

[ICB]

Not even close to the majority think Marquez won both fights, I have only seen spanish/mexicans who think Marquez won the second fight, they still can't give a logical round by round reason why they believe he won the second fight, they say what rounds, but when I go through the rounds punch by punch they have no answer for the truth.

All these people had JMM winning i'd say more people think JMM won there 2nd fight, than more people think Manny Pacquiao won the 2nd fight. And by the way i had JMM winning both Manny Pacquiao fights and the Chris John fight with ease, and im certainly not Spanish/Mexican.


Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez

• Pacquiao wins the vacant Ring Magazine jr. lightweight world title. Ring Magazine awarded the belt to Pacquiao but did not believe he won the fight.

[antimoron]

get over it.. the verdict is there.. why is it that nobody does what pac did to marquez? if marquez is really that great how come he is having a hard time beating a very limited pac version? you guys are unbelievable.. nobody mentions here why pac leave the 130 division.. he is having a hard time making the weight when he fought jmm..

[generalbulldog]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

[Gandalf]

get over it.. the verdict is there.. why is it that nobody does what pac did to marquez? if marquez is really that great how come he is having a hard time beating a very limited pac version? you guys are unbelievable.. nobody mentions here why pac leave the 130 division.. he is having a hard time making the weight when he fought jmm..

What is a verdict when it is faulty? How come nobody has done to Pac what Marquez did? Which was to win significantly more rounds than he lost against Manny. He certainly isn't all that bad is he now.

[Gandalf]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

I don't think people are doing that. They are both exceptional fighters. Popular opinion means more than a judges scorecard at the end of the day.