Vitali Klitschko claims 'preliminary agreement' to fight David Haye

[eagle]

The difference is, Haye is 29 with possible improvement likely.. Vitali is 38, already been forced into retirement through injury, and looked "old" on saturday. Look how his eyes marked up.

It might not be such a long shot that Haye smashes him up.

Of course. Just look at the way he smashed up an even slower, less active Nikolay Valuev.

I said it's a long shot.

Vitali isn't the mountain that Valuev is. Improvement vs decline. Youth vs injury prone fossil. There's been bigger upsets. Fact.

Name 5 bigger upsets in the last 20 years?

[Fenster]

Of course. Just look at the way he smashed up an even slower, less active Nikolay Valuev.

I said it's a long shot.

Vitali isn't the mountain that Valuev is. Improvement vs decline. Youth vs injury prone fossil. There's been bigger upsets. Fact.

Name 5 bigger upsets in the last 20 years?

Here's five big upsets this year!!!

Mosley-Margarito
Linares-Salgado
Ward-Kessler
Guzman-Funeka
Green-Roy

[Violent Demise]

I said it's a long shot.

Vitali isn't the mountain that Valuev is. Improvement vs decline. Youth vs injury prone fossil. There's been bigger upsets. Fact.

Name 5 bigger upsets in the last 20 years?

Here's five big upsets this year!!!

Mosley-Margarito
Linares-Salgado
Ward-Kessler
Guzman-Funeka
Green-Roy

I have a hard time calling those upsets

[eagle]

I said it's a long shot.

Vitali isn't the mountain that Valuev is. Improvement vs decline. Youth vs injury prone fossil. There's been bigger upsets. Fact.

Name 5 bigger upsets in the last 20 years?

Here's five big upsets this year!!!

Mosley-Margarito
Linares-Salgado
Ward-Kessler
Guzman-Funeka
Green-Roy

I wouldn't call any of those bigger upsets than if Haye beat Vitali, other than maybe the Linares fight. Then again Linares has never proven to be as dominant as Vitali.

[Fenster]

Name 5 bigger upsets in the last 20 years?

Here's five big upsets this year!!!

Mosley-Margarito
Linares-Salgado
Ward-Kessler
Guzman-Funeka
Green-Roy

I have a hard time calling those upsets

They were all betting underdogs. Fact.

[Violent Demise]

Here's five big upsets this year!!!

Mosley-Margarito
Linares-Salgado
Ward-Kessler
Guzman-Funeka
Green-Roy

I have a hard time calling those upsets

They were all betting underdogs. Fact.

Book makers ain't exactly the most knowledgeable Boxing fans. Fact

[eagle]

Here's five big upsets this year!!!

Mosley-Margarito
Linares-Salgado
Ward-Kessler
Guzman-Funeka
Green-Roy

I have a hard time calling those upsets

They were all betting underdogs. Fact.

But your were asked for 5 bigger upsets not just 5 upsets. I think Haye beating Vitali would be up there with Clay beating Liston and Douglas beating Tyson.

[Fenster]

Name 5 bigger upsets in the last 20 years?

Here's five big upsets this year!!!

Mosley-Margarito
Linares-Salgado
Ward-Kessler
Guzman-Funeka
Green-Roy

I wouldn't call any of those bigger upsets than if Haye beat Vitali, other than maybe the Linares fight. Then again Linares has never proven to be as dominant as Vitali.

That's your personal opinion.

These are the current general odds for Haye-Vitali

Haye - 7/4
Vitali - 2/5

I'm almost certain the fights I listed the price between fav/underdog was wider.. so those underdog winners were given less chance than Haye

[Fenster]

I have a hard time calling those upsets

They were all betting underdogs. Fact.

Book makers ain't exactly the most knowledgeable Boxing fans. Fact

That is one serious chump comment. Fact.

[eagle]

Here's five big upsets this year!!!

Mosley-Margarito
Linares-Salgado
Ward-Kessler
Guzman-Funeka
Green-Roy

I wouldn't call any of those bigger upsets than if Haye beat Vitali, other than maybe the Linares fight. Then again Linares has never proven to be as dominant as Vitali.

That's your personal opinion.

These are the current general odds for Haye-Vitali

Haye - 7/4
Vitali - 2/5

I'm almost certain the fights I listed the price between fav/underdog was wider.. so those underdog winners were given less chance than Haye

Where are those odds taken from?

[Mark TKO]

before Saturday I gave Haye NO chance of beating Vitali.But now, after seeing VK performance, just maybe he has a slight chance - 30% if i had to put a figure on it

[Fenster]

I wouldn't call any of those bigger upsets than if Haye beat Vitali, other than maybe the Linares fight. Then again Linares has never proven to be as dominant as Vitali.

That's your personal opinion.

These are the current general odds for Haye-Vitali

Haye - 7/4
Vitali - 2/5

I'm almost certain the fights I listed the price between fav/underdog was wider.. so those underdog winners were given less chance than Haye

Where are those odds taken from?

http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/EN...10/Boxing.html

While you're there search the result section for the fights I listed

[eagle]

That's your personal opinion.

These are the current general odds for Haye-Vitali

Haye - 7/4
Vitali - 2/5

I'm almost certain the fights I listed the price between fav/underdog was wider.. so those underdog winners were given less chance than Haye

Where are those odds taken from?

http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/EN...10/Boxing.html

While you're there search the result section for the fights I listed

A British bookmakers. Nuff said.

[Fenster]

Where are those odds taken from?

http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/EN...10/Boxing.html

While you're there search the result section for the fights I listed

A British bookmakers. Nuff said.

What odds you got then?

[Pugilistic]

I still favor Vitali over Haye.

Vitali didn't look so great against Johnson but that was because Johnson threw literally no punches and was only concerned with defending himself than actually trying to win.

It's hard to look impressive against a fighter like that.

From what i remember, Vitali did look old against Gomez as well. Gomez was a fighter with superior speed and movement.

Vitali at this point is more impressive and dominant against pressure fighters (Peter, Arreola) but fighters who have superior speed and use movement ( Gomez, Johnson) will trouble him more. The funny thing is, Vitali didn't look dominate against Gomez or Johnson but if you watch both fights, he clearly won every round against both.

Haye has both good movement and superior speed but his chin isn't good at all, I see Vitali catching him and getting him out of there.

One problem i do have with Vitali is how he throws punches now. His punches don't have the snap on them like they used to because he throws arm punches.