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The fact is it is just YOUR criteria. Your criteria is not the criteria that everybody must follow. You select your criteria, hence it has inherent bias. You can't argue with that. Also, you come across as quite patronising. Just my opinion.
Oh, and just to parody your last sentence - How can you use YOUR own eyes and have Langford ahead of Lewis? Ok, you will say you don't rely on your eyes but your own criteria (as if only a moron would trust their own eyes), but your criteria seem very bendy.
Saddo Fantasy Premier League
2011/12 - 2nd
2012/13 -1st Hidden Content
2013/14 - 3rd (Master won)
Saddo World Cup Dream Team
2014 - 1st Hidden Content
Saddo Fantasy Premier League
2011/12 - 2nd
2012/13 -1st Hidden Content
2013/14 - 3rd (Master won)
Saddo World Cup Dream Team
2014 - 1st Hidden Content
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I'm not God, but I am something similar-Robert Duran
Hidden Content Bring me the best and I will knock them out-Alexis Arguello
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Geeze, OBVIOUSLY on the bold. But seomeone must HAVE criteria to determine such a list. You seem dismissive of the very CONCEPT of criteria. {Now THAT was patronising)
I NEVER said I don't rely on my own eyes. I questioned what you were seeing with yours in placing Johnson over Louis. What do you see in Johnson that you don't see in Louis for example> What do you see in Louis that you don't see in Johnson? Relying solely on ones eyes requires an arrogance that I just don't have. I don't know about you, but my eyes often lead to incorrect or questionable conclusions. I often find the views of others illuminating.
As for my criteria being Bendy? I agree. Now find me one that is MORE objective and I'll happily use that one.
Hidden Content Bring me the best and I will knock them out-Alexis Arguello
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You have made an embarrassing error. Your last three replies are all to the same person - me. I'm not the same as Jazmerkin. It's good that you continue to be patronising by advising me to look up the meaning of the word hypocrisy - I did so and it seems I used it in the correct context ( I didn't really check - just feeding your ego).
So, you use your own eye, that’s a good start. So, can you please expand on how you have Langford ahead of Lewis? Because it really does seem as though you have a recurring issue with Lennox Lewis for his 2 losses yet consistently hold fighters that have suffered more losses against equally questionable opponents in high regard. That is what I mean by bendy criteria.
Last edited by ryanman; 07-16-2011 at 01:20 AM.
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Oh, and you say 'Geez OBVIOUSLY on the bold'. Yes it was obvious, that's why I said it. I was making a simple point that you seemed to have forgotten.
* Note - I have complied a top heavyweight list probably at least three times on here so I'm not going to be repetitive. I know you haven't been here too long so you wouldn't know but there have been a fair few threads on this subject.
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I've made no errors. But give me time!
And you obviously didn't look up hypocrisy so I'll help you
a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
I suspect what you mean to accuse me of is having a "double standard." Happy to have that pointed out if it is true!
Let me try to show why I have Langford over Lennox. Sam defeated HOFers on 14 occasions and on almost every occasion those guys were in ther primes. Lennox beat that quality a fighter only three times and I don't think any of them except Vitali was in their prime. It's a HUGE accomplishment gap. Now was there anything Lennox could have done about that? Probably not. He didn't have the same possibilities in front of him. It is what it is. And even among non HOFers Langford defeated fine heavyweights like Jeff Clark (good enough to defeat HOFer Kid Norfolk) and Battling Jim Johnson (who faced Jack Johnson in a title fight and got a draw though Jack was injured) on multiple occasions each. Had their been ratings back then? My guess (based on just a quick count) and it is only a guess? Langford defeated ranked heavies 25 times, Lennox we know did so 13 times, an excellent number, but still a big gap (only in my guesswork though).
Lennox was drilled by two different mediocrities while in his prime. Before his eyes were injured in 1917 Langford was not KO'd by any heavyweight period despite fighting top guys well over 30 times. After his eyes were damaged he got KO'd by lesser fighters (Fred Fulton for example) but does anyone want to make the case that counts as Langford's prime? Did Lennox reverse those? Sure but so what? Langfo0rd didn't have to in the first place.
Anyway, that's the basic case for whatever it is worth.
I think the best response is not to question the data as it's hard to do so, but to argue that Langford was never champion and Lennox had a fine title reign. It's not Sam's fault he couldn't get a shot, but so what? Liife isn't fair.
It's not a bad counter, just not one I find compelling.Have you a better argument? Love to hear it!
Hidden Content Bring me the best and I will knock them out-Alexis Arguello
I'm not God, but I am something similar-Robert Duran
Hidden Content Bring me the best and I will knock them out-Alexis Arguello
I'm not God, but I am something similar-Robert Duran
I thought everyone knew Muhammad Ali was overrated
Muhammad Ali is definitely overrated. Not as overrated as Sam Langford though.
Maybe you'd like to check out patronising while you're about it?
I've included a link. Hope that helps. Patronising - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia
Master's list is daft, mad, pixie-mazed, asinine:
Lewis before Foreman wtf??
and NO ROCKY MARCIANO
..........LAY OFF THE LUNATIC BROTH.
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