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    Default Re: Why is HBO so bias against Sergio Martinez ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
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    That wasn't the first time Martinez looked ordinary against nobody. I can't blame hbo.
    yet they acted like Pacquiao was blowing his opponent away against Clottey, where Manny looked far from extraordinary
    It was a shut out, Martinez hasn't been shutting out anyone.

    Not that I think it even matters, a convincing win is a convincing win.
    yea he's been stopping everyone, once he figure his guy out he stops him, so I fail to see why he gets so much criticism, we all knew Macklin was a lot better than a 10-1 underdog, it's more of a case that Macklin performed well rather than Martinez looked flat
    I also think it's that Macklin boxed more than brawled, which suprised Sergio.

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    Macklin surprised me too. I expected him to brawl more which would have made it easy for Martinez. Instead he stuck to a good gameplan until Martinez superior class took over.

    Martinez has got shit in his last two fights but the truth is - Macklin and Barker have been underestimated. They're both smart fighters that weren't turning-up to roll over, they tried to win.

    Martinez P4P position is fully deserved IMO. Fact.
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    Default Re: Why is HBO so bias against Sergio Martinez ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Macklin surprised me too. I expected him to brawl more which would have made it easy for Martinez. Instead he stuck to a good gameplan until Martinez superior class took over.

    Martinez has got shit in his last two fights but the truth is - Macklin and Barker have been underestimated. They're both smart fighters that weren't turning-up to roll over, they tried to win.

    Martinez P4P position is fully deserved IMO. Fact.
    agreed, even Martinez said that Macklin's more tactical approach took him by surprise so he laid back a bit and took his time with him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Macklin surprised me too. I expected him to brawl more which would have made it easy for Martinez. Instead he stuck to a good gameplan until Martinez superior class took over.

    Martinez has got shit in his last two fights but the truth is - Macklin and Barker have been underestimated. They're both smart fighters that weren't turning-up to roll over, they tried to win.

    Martinez P4P position is fully deserved IMO. Fact.
    Actually I put Martinez ahead of Mayweather in P4P, because Mayweather hasn't fought enough the last 5 years to deserve to be ranked.

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    Default Re: Why is HBO so bias against Sergio Martinez ?

    He is in a weak weight division and the fighters he just fought are probably below world class. He is just not as dominate as the other fighters seem to be against weaker fighters it seems.

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    He knocks em out, and not with a lucky shot but takes a while to figure em out n then tgheyre outa there, good enough for me....can't get much more dominant then that, sure he looses rounds here n there but who cares he finishes in style...

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    Quote Originally Posted by armin View Post
    He knocks em out, and not with a lucky shot but takes a while to figure em out n then they're outa there, good enough for me....can't get much more dominant then that, sure he looses rounds here n there but who cares he finishes in style...
    The real test is, name someone P4P besides Pacquiao, (I don't count Mayweather, he doesn't fight often enough) who deserves to be ranked higher than Martinez, there really isn't anyone.

    Macklin said he was going to brawl and take the fight to Sergio, but instead in the first 6 rounds he boxed, kept his hands up and fought more defensively. From the 7th round on it looked like Macklin started to come forward and brawl more, but that's when Martinez started finding the range and pounding Matt with those powerful straight left hands. Like all great champions Sergio became more agressive and turned it up a notch when he needed to. You only needed to look at Macklin's face and then Sergio's at the finish of the fight to see who was landing the more effective punches.
    Last edited by Mars_ax; 03-21-2012 at 04:53 AM.

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    Default Re: Why is HBO so bias against Sergio Martinez ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by armin View Post
    He knocks em out, and not with a lucky shot but takes a while to figure em out n then they're outa there, good enough for me....can't get much more dominant then that, sure he looses rounds here n there but who cares he finishes in style...
    The real test is, name someone P4P besides Pacquiao, (I don't count Mayweather, he doesn't fight often enough) who deserves to be ranked higher than Martinez, there really isn't anyone.

    Macklin said he was going to brawl and take the fight to Sergio, but instead in the first 6 rounds he boxed, kept his hands up and fought more defensively. From the 7th round on it looked like Macklin started to come forward and brawl more, but that's when Martinez started finding the range and pounding Matt with those powerful straight left hands. Like all great champions Sergio became more agressive and turned it up a notch when he needed to. You only needed to look at Macklin's face and then Sergio's at the finish of the fight to see who was landing the more effective punches.
    Macklin always tires out at the end of the fight. Martinez done what he needed to do which was to play around for the first seven rounds until Macklin got tired and then finish the job. I think Martinez could have finished the fight earlier. He done a bit of a Klitchko. He is incredibly fit though and has great power and speed. I think a Martinez Pac fight would be good. I still see Mayweather beating both of them. Im not a Fan of Mayweather but he is p4p number one because he is the best. Irritating some one so up his own ass is the best but thats just the way it is.

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    Default Re: Why is HBO so bias against Sergio Martinez ?

    Mayweather deserves a hard time with some of his choices. Baldomir? Really? Judah off of a loss to Baldomir? Really? Marquez at a CW and then not making weight? Really? Not fighting Margarito, Cotto, Williams or Mosley when they still had something? Really?

    Mayweather deserves a lot of his flak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post

    The real test is, name someone P4P besides Pacquiao, (I don't count Mayweather, he doesn't fight often enough) who deserves to be ranked higher than Martinez, there really isn't anyone.

    floyd mayweather
    manny pacquiao
    juan manuel marquez
    nonito donaire
    wlad klitchko

    martinez has looked less than gifted against his last two opponents who are B level fighters at best. the ease with which macklin and barker were able to connect with martinez' head and body doesn't inspire much confidence. if he were to be put in the ring p4p against any of the above fighters i see fairly clear losses for martinez on all counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless rocco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post

    The real test is, name someone P4P besides Pacquiao, (I don't count Mayweather, he doesn't fight often enough) who deserves to be ranked higher than Martinez, there really isn't anyone.

    floyd mayweather
    manny pacquiao
    juan manuel marquez
    nonito donaire
    wlad klitchko

    martinez has looked less than gifted against his last two opponents who are B level fighters at best. the ease with which macklin and barker were able to connect with martinez' head and body doesn't inspire much confidence. if he were to be put in the ring p4p against any of the above fighters i see fairly clear losses for martinez on all counts.
    Donaire didn't look all that great last two times out either, difference is Martinez got the KO twice while Donaire didn't come close

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
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    The real test is, name someone P4P besides Pacquiao, (I don't count Mayweather, he doesn't fight often enough) who deserves to be ranked higher than Martinez, there really isn't anyone.

    floyd mayweather
    manny pacquiao
    juan manuel marquez
    nonito donaire
    wlad klitchko

    martinez has looked less than gifted against his last two opponents who are B level fighters at best. the ease with which macklin and barker were able to connect with martinez' head and body doesn't inspire much confidence. if he were to be put in the ring p4p against any of the above fighters i see fairly clear losses for martinez on all counts.
    Donaire didn't look all that great last two times out either, difference is Martinez got the KO twice while Donaire didn't come close
    Difference is quality of opposition and moves up in weight class:

    Narvaez, undefeated in 37 fights at the time, was the #1 ranked super flyweight and former title holder who was moving up in weight to challenge Donaire for his bantamweight title. Donaire blanked him on all 3 judges score cards 120-108.

    In his fight against Vasquez Jr, Donaire himself was moving up to challenge the former super bantamweight champ. this was the second weight division Donaire had jumped in a year and a half. Vasquez was the naturally bigger fighter having had spent his entire career at super bantamweight or higher. Donaire fought the majority of that fight with a broken left hand, evidence of which was seen when the gloves were removed and blood was seen soaking through the wraps. Donaire landed a total of 42% of his punches and 60% power punches. while judged a split decision, most observers saw Donaire winning easily.
    Last edited by ruthless rocco; 03-21-2012 at 09:14 AM.

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    Default Re: Why is HBO so bias against Sergio Martinez ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless rocco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless rocco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post

    The real test is, name someone P4P besides Pacquiao, (I don't count Mayweather, he doesn't fight often enough) who deserves to be ranked higher than Martinez, there really isn't anyone.

    floyd mayweather
    manny pacquiao
    juan manuel marquez
    nonito donaire
    wlad klitchko

    martinez has looked less than gifted against his last two opponents who are B level fighters at best. the ease with which macklin and barker were able to connect with martinez' head and body doesn't inspire much confidence. if he were to be put in the ring p4p against any of the above fighters i see fairly clear losses for martinez on all counts.
    Donaire didn't look all that great last two times out either, difference is Martinez got the KO twice while Donaire didn't come close
    Difference is quality of opposition and moves up in weight class:

    Narvaez, undefeated in 37 fights at the time, was the #1 ranked super flyweight and former title holder who was moving up in weight to challenge Donaire for his bantamweight title. Donaire blanked him on all 3 judges score cards 120-108.

    In his fight against Vasquez Jr, Donaire himself was moving up to challenge the former super bantamweight champ. this was the second weight division Donaire had jumped in a year and a half. Vasquez was the naturally bigger fighter having had spent his entire career at super bantamweight or higher. Donaire fought the majority of that fight with a broken left hand, evidence of which was seen when the gloves were removed and blood was seen soaking through the wraps. Donaire landed a total of 42% of his punches and 60% power punches. while judged a split decision, most observers saw Donaire winning easily.
    no, he won CLEARLY, I wouldn't say he won easily, when Martinez began to work he dominated his opponent fully, it's not like either KO was from a lucky shot, the guy set it up and effortlessly took both out taking little to no damage himself, Macklin was one of the top out there right now, lets not forget his rip off "loss" to Sturm who many consider #2 or #3 at 160, as for Donaire against Narvaez, who the hell had Narvaez beaten to be considered elite? the real answer is no one

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless rocco View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post

    The real test is, name someone P4P besides Pacquiao, (I don't count Mayweather, he doesn't fight often enough) who deserves to be ranked higher than Martinez, there really isn't anyone.

    floyd mayweather
    manny pacquiao
    juan manuel marquez
    nonito donaire
    wlad klitchko

    martinez has looked less than gifted against his last two opponents who are B level fighters at best. the ease with which macklin and barker were able to connect with martinez' head and body doesn't inspire much confidence. if he were to be put in the ring p4p against any of the above fighters i see fairly clear losses for martinez on all counts.
    Donaire didn't look all that great last two times out either, difference is Martinez got the KO twice while Donaire didn't come close
    Difference is quality of opposition and moves up in weight class:

    Narvaez, undefeated in 37 fights at the time, was the #1 ranked super flyweight and former title holder who was moving up in weight to challenge Donaire for his bantamweight title. Donaire blanked him on all 3 judges score cards 120-108.

    In his fight against Vasquez Jr, Donaire himself was moving up to challenge the former super bantamweight champ. this was the second weight division Donaire had jumped in a year and a half. Vasquez was the naturally bigger fighter having had spent his entire career at super bantamweight or higher. Donaire fought the majority of that fight with a broken left hand, evidence of which was seen when the gloves were removed and blood was seen soaking through the wraps. Donaire landed a total of 42% of his punches and 60% power punches. while judged a split decision, most observers saw Donaire winning easily.
    no, he won CLEARLY, I wouldn't say he won easily, when Martinez began to work he dominated his opponent fully, it's not like either KO was from a lucky shot, the guy set it up and effortlessly took both out taking little to no damage himself, Macklin was one of the top out there right now, lets not forget his rip off "loss" to Sturm who many consider #2 or #3 at 160, as for Donaire against Narvaez, who the hell had Narvaez beaten to be considered elite? the real answer is no one
    I agree with El Terrible here. Donaire won clearly, but it wasn't easy. Vasquez gave him more problems than anyone anticipated.

    Ruthless rocco - Donaire is facing Mijares and Arce next. Really? This is at a time where he could face Rigondeaux or Nishioka. The Mijares and Arce fights put the Rigondeaux and Nishioka fights out for another year, if they are even available then. Consider that prior to the Vasquez and Narvaez fights, the sky was the limit for Donaire. As a result of those fights, his handlers are tempering the level of risk for his next fights.

    Vasquez Jr. was very comparable to Macklin. Macklin was ranked number 3 in the middleweight division after essentially beating Sturm in Germany. Vasquez Jr. was ranked number 7 in the division. Granted, the junior featherweight division is a bit deeper than the middleweight division at least at the top, so it evens out. Barker was also ranked in the top ten of the division when Martinez faced him.

    In all fairness, Narvaez, is comparable to Sergiy Dzinziruk, a champion at a weight below, moving up in weight to face the champion at the above weight. Martinez figured out Dzinziruk and stopped him in the eighth; Donaire won on the cards in a boring victory.

    I can understand why you would have Marquez or Wlad highly ranked in your p4p. If you had Floyd, Manny, Marquez, Wlad, Donaire, Ward, then Sergio, it is what it is. I would disagree but p4p lists are subjective.

    My problem with Marquez is that to an extent, it appears he is not facing top guys unless they are big money fights. He's earned that certainly. He is now facing Sergiy Fedchenko who is not ranked in the top ten in any rankings. At least with Sergio, it can be said that he is cleaning out the division while waiting for a big pay day. If he faced Lee next for example, that would mean three top ten guys in a row, and if Chavez Jr. came after Lee, four. I don't see how you fault a guy for that, which is why I don't see how anyone faults Wlad. He's doing what he can do. He didn't set the limits.

    My main criticism of Sergio is that he'll face Cotto or Mayweather at 150 or 154, but, when asked about James Kirkland, Kirkland has to come up to 160. I don't understand that. Is that just because he has the leverage in that fight? Why will he only go to 154 for a big name if he truly is a junior middleweight? Is he making more money as a middleweight? Why also is he so excited about facing Chavez Jr. at 160 when he could go on a world tour and face the rest of the middleweight elite? On the other hand, I don't understand why he gets grief for wanting to face Mayweather when Mayweather would be favored in the fight. Taeth keeps bringing up Pacquiao, but Taeth forgets that Roach declined the fight with Martinez because he feels he's too big. So, there is no use speculating. Also, I don't understand the griping about Macklin as an opponent, when his fight against Sturm counts more than anything the other title holders have done, less Sturm.

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    Default Re: Why is HBO so bias against Sergio Martinez ?

    moving up in weight while beating current and former world champs garners more respect from me than a guy who's clearing out a shit division and fighting former domestic champions.

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