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    Default Re: How good was Rick Hatton?

    He had an unusual very up close constant pressure style. Not very pretty but very effective. He had great power from the clinch and just coming out of the clinch. You could hit him well and he would still be on top of you. He was close the majority of the time so hard to hit and he had a hell of an engine on him. He was a good fighter because of this.

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    Default Re: How good was Rick Hatton?

    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    Psl made a good point.. Americans dont think twice about hatton.

    To americans..... Ricky hatton, Carlos Baldomir...... Same shit. Of lets not forget about juan urango and ponce deleon... They are all on the same league..
    Did Baldomir win the American writers "fighter of the year" award? Was Baldomir P4P rated by the American publication The Ring? Did the American TV company HBO sign Baldomir to multi-million pound contracts?

    American's don't think twice about Hatton... they just gave him all their awards and money. Fact.
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    Default Re: How good was Rick Hatton?

    He was a good fighter that was too much of a nice guy and it started to show when he fought Mayweather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    Psl made a good point.. Americans dont think twice about hatton.

    To americans..... Ricky hatton, Carlos Baldomir...... Same shit. Of lets not forget about juan urango and ponce deleon... They are all on the same league..
    Did Baldomir win the American writers "fighter of the year" award? Was Baldomir P4P rated by the American publication The Ring? Did the American TV company HBO sign Baldomir to multi-million pound contracts?

    American's don't think twice about Hatton... they just gave him all their awards and money. Fact.
    Great points made by Fenster. Unfortunately you will always get haters regardless.

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    He was a lion with great footwork and a huge workrate. His body punching and ability to fight on the inside meant a lot of his fights became wars and people mistake this for brawling and having no boxing ability. He threw his shots correctly and had a great instinct for knowing when a guy was hurt and how to finish him.Most importantly he was a great servant to boxing on both sides of the pond. The much derided casual fans are vital for the survival of the sport and fighters like Ricky drew them in great numbers. Boxing is also about entertainment and he was both in and out of the ring great value in this capacity. I loved him, in the UK he was the public face of the sport we all follow and his fights enhanced the reputation of British boxing around the world.

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    I was in a bar in tenerife with a mate watching the Hatton Tszyu fight surrounded by loads of Manchester lads wearing sombreros, it was a quality night. With hind sight that fight did maybe flatter Hatton a bit as Tszyu hadn't been the most active fighter but he was still very very dangerous. Hatton did perhaps get everything his own way that night.

    I'd say Hatton was very very good. A level below the likes of PBF/Pac/DLH/Mosley/Hopkins etc but that's still impressive.

    Even Mayweather has said he respects Ricky Hatton for actually coming to fight and not just survive. Ricky could have fought differently against both Pac and Floyd and lasted the distance which might have got him more respect in America (possibly) but the I reckon us Brits respect him for taking the fight to them.

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    Wat a joke?!? hatton only fell short against the two best (then and now) p4p on the planet, hatton always chased the best and gav it 110% he also produced a number of great fights and ko's so i dunno how he can be cosidered boaring?? Ok he was a piss can out the ring and probley fell short of elite because of it, but even so i think hatton had a great career and should recieve respect. For it!!
    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    He wasnt very good. Ricky was just a contender level fighter.

    Only reason he was so popular was because of his charisma and frank warrens promoting ability.



    ricky hatton was a boring fighter and he wasnt that good.

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    Default Re: How good was Rick Hatton?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Hatton was a proven great fighter for his day.

    He was good enough to become the lineal lightwelter champion, P4P ranked by America's Ring Magazine, be paid millions by America's HBO TV company and be voted the "fighter of the year" by the boxing writers association of America.

    How many foreigners achieve those accolades in America? Exactly. Fact.
    Ricky Hatton was a very good fighter. If he makes it to the Hall of Fame it will be because of his international popularity as Fenster pointed out above, not his in-ring accomplishments. Boiled to its core, his career proved that he was a solid single division fighter, as evidenced by the lineal super lightweight belt he gained for beating Kosta Tszyu. He missed a couple of good junior welterweights in Miguel Cotto and Junior Witter. He also defended his title against a few good boxers in Juan Urango, Carlos Maussa and Paulie Malignaggi. He lost when he stepped up to the elite, ATG great level against Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. Measured against other recent British greats, I would put him below Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe and probably Amir Khan, depending on how his career develops.

    I admire Ricky Hatton for going out on his shield, for daring to be great, even if he fell a tad bit short.

    Here's a good summary of Ricky Hatton's career as measured against all time: Measured Against All Time - Ricky Hatton - Boxing News
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    Ricky could be rated higher than Joe Galzaghe, because he did not wait too long with Warren, who would have been happy for Ricky to defend his IBO title against journeyman fighters and make shed loads of money. There is no Sven Ottke in Ricky’s closet, Witter does not count and Cotto moved up in weight to allow the fight from coming off. Ricky took risks going up to welterweight and Joe did not until very late in his career. If Ricky manoeuvred his career more cautiously he could have retired undefeated too
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    Hattons skill level was no were near Calzaghes to be honest the best fighter to come out of the Uk beside Lennox Lewis. Hatton resume i think is worse then Calzaghes i mean Kt is no Bernard Hopkins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Ricky could be rated higher than Joe Galzaghe, because he did not wait too long with Warren, who would have been happy for Ricky to defend his IBO title against journeyman fighters and make shed loads of money. There is no Sven Ottke in Ricky’s closet, Witter does not count and Cotto moved up in weight to allow the fight from coming off. Ricky took risks going up to welterweight and Joe did not until very late in his career. If Ricky manoeuvred his career more cautiously he could have retired undefeated too

    I don't agree with a single thing you said there aside from the fact that Hatton jumped ship with Warren, which is indeed to his credit. Hatton was very good, but nowhere near as good as Calzaghe, nor did he achieve as much even despite much better management. You could easily assume that if Calzaghe had Hatton's marketability(why he didn't is beyond me), he would have also retired with a much higher profile in America. For Hatton to have retired undefeated he would've clearly had to avoid Mayweather and Pacquiao. Had he not fought those two men, even despite losing so badly, his legacy would pale even moreso in comparison with Calzaghes. It would have been no different than had Calzaghe not fought Kessler and Hopkins. Instead, the difference is that Joe won those fights
    And to say that there is no Sven Ottke in Ricky's closet, and that Witter doesn't count is purely ludicrous. Witter was MUCH more of a threat to Hatton and a much more lucrative fight than Ottke to Calzaghe, obviously. That would have been easy as hell to make in the UK and Hatton could have taken almost the whole purse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattyhitman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    Psl made a good point.. Americans dont think twice about hatton.

    To americans..... Ricky hatton, Carlos Baldomir...... Same shit. Of lets not forget about juan urango and ponce deleon... They are all on the same league..
    Did Baldomir win the American writers "fighter of the year" award? Was Baldomir P4P rated by the American publication The Ring? Did the American TV company HBO sign Baldomir to multi-million pound contracts?

    American's don't think twice about Hatton... they just gave him all their awards and money. Fact.
    Great points made by Fenster. Unfortunately you will always get haters regardless.

    Im really suprised VD has not chipped in yet with his
    He already has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
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    Ricky could be rated higher than Joe Galzaghe, because he did not wait too long with Warren, who would have been happy for Ricky to defend his IBO title against journeyman fighters and make shed loads of money. There is no Sven Ottke in Ricky’s closet, Witter does not count and Cotto moved up in weight to allow the fight from coming off. Ricky took risks going up to welterweight and Joe did not until very late in his career. If Ricky manoeuvred his career more cautiously he could have retired undefeated too

    I don't agree with a single thing you said there aside from the fact that Hatton jumped ship with Warren, which is indeed to his credit. Hatton was very good, but nowhere near as good as Calzaghe, nor did he achieve as much even despite much better management. You could easily assume that if Calzaghe had Hatton's marketability(why he didn't is beyond me), he would have also retired with a much higher profile in America. For Hatton to have retired undefeated he would've clearly had to avoid Mayweather and Pacquiao. Had he not fought those two men, even despite losing so badly, his legacy would pale even moreso in comparison with Calzaghes. It would have been no different than had Calzaghe not fought Kessler and Hopkins. Instead, the difference is that Joe won those fights
    And to say that there is no Sven Ottke in Ricky's closet, and that Witter doesn't count is purely ludicrous. Witter was MUCH more of a threat to Hatton and a much more lucrative fight than Ottke to Calzaghe, obviously. That would have been easy as hell to make in the UK and Hatton could have taken almost the whole purse.
    Apparently Warren had quite a lot of profile raising offers which he presented to Calzaghe, but Calzaghe didn't want them. I think in his book, Joe said that it either never interested him or he didn't have the confidence to go through with stuff like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Ricky could be rated higher than Joe Galzaghe, because he did not wait too long with Warren, who would have been happy for Ricky to defend his IBO title against journeyman fighters and make shed loads of money. There is no Sven Ottke in Ricky’s closet, Witter does not count and Cotto moved up in weight to allow the fight from coming off. Ricky took risks going up to welterweight and Joe did not until very late in his career. If Ricky manoeuvred his career more cautiously he could have retired undefeated too

    I don't agree with a single thing you said there aside from the fact that Hatton jumped ship with Warren, which is indeed to his credit. Hatton was very good, but nowhere near as good as Calzaghe, nor did he achieve as much even despite much better management. You could easily assume that if Calzaghe had Hatton's marketability(why he didn't is beyond me), he would have also retired with a much higher profile in America. For Hatton to have retired undefeated he would've clearly had to avoid Mayweather and Pacquiao. Had he not fought those two men, even despite losing so badly, his legacy would pale even moreso in comparison with Calzaghes. It would have been no different than had Calzaghe not fought Kessler and Hopkins. Instead, the difference is that Joe won those fights
    And to say that there is no Sven Ottke in Ricky's closet, and that Witter doesn't count is purely ludicrous. Witter was MUCH more of a threat to Hatton and a much more lucrative fight than Ottke to Calzaghe, obviously. That would have been easy as hell to make in the UK and Hatton could have taken almost the whole purse.
    Apparently Warren had quite a lot of profile raising offers which he presented to Calzaghe, but Calzaghe didn't want them. I think in his book, Joe said that it either never interested him or he didn't have the confidence to go through with stuff like that.
    Ricky Hatton beat a great champion in Kostya on a great night for British boxing. Joe beat Eubanks at short notice and then fought poor fighters for 10 years. Ricky unified some of the titles where possible including a weight up, Joe fought his mandatory’s and Ottke’s left overs never really taking a chance until the end of his career.

    Ricky did not have to fight Floyd at welterweight, especially after struggling at the weight but he took the chance. Joe was very good but Ricky should not be punished for taking on the best and coming short. Would you want to see Ricky v Floyd or Pac Man than Witter? No chance.

    Joe would have beaten Ottke but did not take the chance, Joe may have lost to Roy Jones at light heavy but never took the opportunity.
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    Ricky with all his fights still does not have the same amount of good wins that Calzaghe has. I mean Bernard beats out anything Hatton has. Then you have Kessler which is better then anything Ricky besides his win over kt. I mean say what you want about Calzaghe but he was far more skilled. Also has better wins under his belt Jones was Lhw and no one was travling either way dont blame him much. Anyhow there is no real thing that Hatton has over Calzaghe when it comes to the record books.

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