Does anyone think George Zimmerman is guilty of murder?

[Beanz]

"these assholes always get away"

Sounds like Zimmerman had already made his mind up, like you Lyle, that Martin was guilty of something.

"Are you following him ?..O.K we don't need you to do that"

Sounds like Zimmerman was on a mission from God.

[TitoFan]

Ok guys.... one of these versions is incorrect.
Which one is it, I have no idea.
But obviously they're at the heart of the matter.
Has this been conclusively determined one way or the other?

The picture that was taken of him with his nose busted was him in the back of the squad car when they arrived. This is 100% solid.

Then again maybe he punched his own nose after he shot him, then slammed own head against something to create the damage in the few split seconds between him shooting Treyvon and the witnesses coming out to see what was going on after hearing the gunshot...

If it has been established beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman suffered those injuries while being assaulted by Treyvon, then a self-defense verdict is highly likely. Everything else is irrevelant. It's irrevelant that Zimmerman may be a trashy human being. It's irrevelant that Zimmerman may have followed Treyvon simply because he was black, thus being guilty of the worst stereotyping. It's irrevelant that Treyvon was unarmed, because with those types of injuries, Zimmerman's life was likely in danger.

One can over-analyze this case and throw all kinds of angles at it. The simple fact is that it was either manslaughter by Zimmerman, or self-defense. And if Florida law provides the right for a man to defend himself via use of a firearm, then there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. People who seek to make this into a black-vs-white case are missing the forest for the trees.

[Andre]

In what states is it an offense to carry a concealed weapon or is that cool over there?

[VictorCharlie]

I think Illinois is the only state that doesn't issue concealed carry licenses and they have a bill in their state legislation to change that. That being said the devil is in the details. The actual procedure to get licenses and then places you are actually allowed to carry vary greatly from state to state. Arizona is probably the most lenient state I've been in regarding ease to get licensed and then general community and law enforcement state to do it. I've also heard that Utah is very pro-carry. Some states are now allowing open carry as well. Texas doesn't but Arizona does.

[greynotsoold]

I think Illinois is the only state that doesn't issue concealed carry licenses and they have a bill in their state legislation to change that. That being said the devil is in the details. The actual procedure to get licenses and then places you are actually allowed to carry vary greatly from state to state. Arizona is probably the most lenient state I've been in regarding ease to get licensed and then general community and law enforcement state to do it. I've also heard that Utah is very pro-carry. Some states are now allowing open carry as well. Texas doesn't but Arizona does.

In Utah, I understand that, in the courthouses, they have lockers in the hall for your gun. The University of Utah, in Salt lake City, tried to ban concealed carry on campus and they were not allowed to do so. I read the other day that Utah has the most liberal gun laws in the nation. There was a county, one of the very rural ones, that tried to make gun ownership mandatory. But Utah respects individual liberty so that was not allowed either.

[Andre]

So is an exposed weapon a crime in some states?

Could you walk around like a cop with one on a belt?

[greynotsoold]

So is an exposed weapon a crime in some states?

Could you walk around like a cop with one on a belt?

I have seen people in Arizona and Montana carrying openly. I understand that it is the same in New Mexico.
You don't see it often. Though in Arizona, just by coincidence, I saw 8-10 people carrying openly, all the same gas station. One of them was an obese woman in a floral print dress, with a gunbelt around her.

[Andre]

Wow, unheard of out here.

[El Kabong]

Wow, unheard of out here.

Of course

[VictorCharlie]

So is an exposed weapon a crime in some states?

Could you walk around like a cop with one on a belt?

It really varies from state to state and even then cities have local ordinances. In Texas it is a crime to open carry a handgun but not a rifle/shotgun. That being said even here you would be harassed by the police if you walked down the street even in a rural area with a rifle on your shoulder.

[greynotsoold]

So is an exposed weapon a crime in some states?

Could you walk around like a cop with one on a belt?

It really varies from state to state and even then cities have local ordinances. In Texas it is a crime to open carry a handgun but not a rifle/shotgun. That being said even here you would be harassed by the police if you walked down the street even in a rural area with a rifle on your shoulder.

A few years ago, in Anaconda (the next town over, 27 miles), I saw two kids on bikes. This was during hunting season and they were both wearing orange vest and back packs. Each of them was carrying, over his shoulder as they rode with one hand on the handlebars, a scoped rifle. Nobody bothered them, nobody harassed them, and they just went on about their business.
That is why I live here.

[Andre]

Wow, unheard of out here.

Of course

Yeah, Im still not sold on your 'liberty' being a better thing though, seeing we dont sufffer murder anywhere near your national level.

Personally, I would like to be better armed though. (But then again I trust me)

[El Kabong]

Wow, unheard of out here.

Of course

Yeah, Im still not sold on your 'liberty' being a better thing though, seeing we dont sufffer murder anywhere near your national level.

Personally, I would like to be better armed though. (But then again I trust me)

You don't have a lot of America's issues....but hey liberty is a scary prospect for some

[Andre]

Yeah our people dont follow your ways they seem to pick and choose from the whole world and SE Asia is very close to us too.But any of our Goverments (which ever one we vote for); follow your ones lead in most things.

[Beanflicker]

http://www.nuttynewstoday.com/wp-con...013/12/zim.jpg

Zimmerman painting sold for over 100k on eBay. Nice bit of money but still pretty far from covering his legal costs he needed to beat a dumb, trumped up charge.

Apparently you can put a price on freedom, 2.5 million lol