9-11...after all this time do you really think it was terrorists?

[brocktonblockbust]

when people let the TV do the thinking for them........I agree that is bad......BUT when people let their GOVERNMENT do the thinking for them, that is WORSE.

[smashup]

This is interesting

http://neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers

[walrus]

I'm on a kindle so I can't get those links to work but if some people think planes did not actually hit the buildings it is pointless to even discuss it with people who hold such beliefs.The US government spent need to commit atrocities against its own in order to usurp more power, they are quite adept at doing that without any acts of terrorism at home. All the need is the NSA.

[Andre]

A former CIA and civilian pilot has sworn an affidavit, stating that no planes flew into the Twin Towers as it would have been physically impossible.

John Lear, the son of Learjet inventor, Bill Lear, has given his expert evidence that it would have been physically impossible for Boeing 767s, like Flights AA11 and UA175 to have hit the Twin Towers on 9/11, particularly when flown by inexperienced pilots:

‘No Boeing 767 airliners hit the Twin Towers as fraudulently alleged by the government, media, NIST and its contractors’, he stated in the affidavit.

‘Such crashes did not occur because they are physically impossible as depicted, for the following reasons: in the case of UAL 175 going into the south tower, a real Boeing 767 would have begun 'telescoping' when the nose hit the 14 inch steel columns which are 39 inches on center.

‘The vertical and horizontal tail would have instantaneously separated from the aircraft, hit the steel box columns and fallen to the ground.

‘The engines when impacting the steel columns would havemaintained their general shape and either fallen to the ground or been recovered in the debris of the collapsed building.

‘No Boeing 767 could attain a speed of 540 mph at 1000 feet above sea level ‘parasite drag doubles with velocity’ and ‘parasite power’ cubes with velocity.

• The fan portion of the engine is not designed to accept the volume of dense air at that altitude and speed.
• The piece of alleged external fuselage containing 3 or 4 window cutouts is inconsistent with an airplane that hit 14 inch steel box columns, placed at over 500 mph. It would have crumpled.
• No significant part of the Boeing 767 or engine could have penetrated the 14 inch steel columns and 37 feet beyond the massive core of the tower without part of it falling to the ground.

‘The debris of the collapse should have contained massive sections of the Boeing 767, including 3 engine cores weighing approximately 9000 pounds apiece which could not have been hidden. Yet there is no evidence of any of these massive structural components from either 767 at the WTC. Such complete disappearance of 767s is impossible.

The affidavit, dated 28th January 2014 is part of a law suit being pursued by Morgan Reynolds in the United States District Court, Southern District, New York.

In March 2007, Reynolds, a former chief economist under the George W Bush administration filed a Request For Correction with the US National Institute of Science and Technology citing his belief that real commercial jets (Boeings) did not hit the WTC towers.

Although the 9/11 Truth movement initially rejected the ‘no-planes’ theory as too outlandish, after scientific and rational analysis, it has become a widely accepted explanation of the evidence collected.





Unlike any other form of statement, an affidavit becomes truth in law, if it is not rebutted. It will now be up to critics of the theory to present their evidence and analysis to rebut the statement point by point. If they do not – or cannot – then the US government will be obliged to admit that the account given by the 9/11 Commission is wrong.

The 65 year old retired airline captain and former CIA pilot – who has over 19,000 hours of flight time -- also drew attention to the inexperience of the pilots who allegedly flew the planes:

‘The alleged 'controlled' descent into New York on a relatively straight course by a novice pilot in unlikely in the extreme because of the difficulty of controlling heading, descent rate and descent speed within the parameters of 'controlled' flight.

‘It takes a highly skilled pilot to interpret the "EFIS" (Electronic Flight Instrument Display) display, with which none of the hijacker pilots would have been familiar or received training on, and use his controls, including the ailerons, rudder, elevators, spoilers and throttles to effect, control and maintain a descent.

Lear has, according to his sworn statement, flown over 100 different types of planes during his 40 years of flying and holds more FAA airman certificates than any other FAA certificated airman. He flew secret missions for the CIA in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1967 and 1983 then spent 17 years working for several passenger and cargo airlines as Captain, Check Airman and Instructor.

He is a member of Pilotsfor911truth.org, which has consistently shown that it was impossible for jet airliners to have hit the Twin Towers in the way the 9/11 Commission has suggested.

The Commission did not take evidence from experts or pilots when it conducted its enquiry into the attacks from 2002 to 2004.

[Gandalf]

Greenbeanz, considering how horrible you have been over time, you are a cad for lecturing on being nice to someone else. However, I bear no ill feeling towards Smashup and will offer a peace offering as I can genuinely co-exist and the vote means that this 'I should go' argument can just go away.

There is something about the West, and in particular those nations that see themselves as untouchable, that I want nothing to do with. There is something suicidal in how they conduct themselves and judging by how they conduct history, they are quite content to kill.

It is a grotesque play out. The funny thing is they are against tens of millions of people who are all declining and yet there is no retaliation. It's a bizarre situation. Put democratically the real man will win, but there is no democracy in the Western world.

[brocktonblockbust]

A former CIA and civilian pilot has sworn an affidavit, stating that no planes flew into the Twin Towers as it would have been physically impossible.

John Lear, the son of Learjet inventor, Bill Lear, has given his expert evidence that it would have been physically impossible for Boeing 767s, like Flights AA11 and UA175 to have hit the Twin Towers on 9/11, particularly when flown by inexperienced pilots:

‘No Boeing 767 airliners hit the Twin Towers as fraudulently alleged by the government, media, NIST and its contractors’, he stated in the affidavit.

‘Such crashes did not occur because they are physically impossible as depicted, for the following reasons: in the case of UAL 175 going into the south tower, a real Boeing 767 would have begun 'telescoping' when the nose hit the 14 inch steel columns which are 39 inches on center.

‘The vertical and horizontal tail would have instantaneously separated from the aircraft, hit the steel box columns and fallen to the ground.

‘The engines when impacting the steel columns would havemaintained their general shape and either fallen to the ground or been recovered in the debris of the collapsed building.

‘No Boeing 767 could attain a speed of 540 mph at 1000 feet above sea level ‘parasite drag doubles with velocity’ and ‘parasite power’ cubes with velocity.

• The fan portion of the engine is not designed to accept the volume of dense air at that altitude and speed.
• The piece of alleged external fuselage containing 3 or 4 window cutouts is inconsistent with an airplane that hit 14 inch steel box columns, placed at over 500 mph. It would have crumpled.
• No significant part of the Boeing 767 or engine could have penetrated the 14 inch steel columns and 37 feet beyond the massive core of the tower without part of it falling to the ground.

‘The debris of the collapse should have contained massive sections of the Boeing 767, including 3 engine cores weighing approximately 9000 pounds apiece which could not have been hidden. Yet there is no evidence of any of these massive structural components from either 767 at the WTC. Such complete disappearance of 767s is impossible.

The affidavit, dated 28th January 2014 is part of a law suit being pursued by Morgan Reynolds in the United States District Court, Southern District, New York.

In March 2007, Reynolds, a former chief economist under the George W Bush administration filed a Request For Correction with the US National Institute of Science and Technology citing his belief that real commercial jets (Boeings) did not hit the WTC towers.

Although the 9/11 Truth movement initially rejected the ‘no-planes’ theory as too outlandish, after scientific and rational analysis, it has become a widely accepted explanation of the evidence collected.





Unlike any other form of statement, an affidavit becomes truth in law, if it is not rebutted. It will now be up to critics of the theory to present their evidence and analysis to rebut the statement point by point. If they do not – or cannot – then the US government will be obliged to admit that the account given by the 9/11 Commission is wrong.

The 65 year old retired airline captain and former CIA pilot – who has over 19,000 hours of flight time -- also drew attention to the inexperience of the pilots who allegedly flew the planes:

‘The alleged 'controlled' descent into New York on a relatively straight course by a novice pilot in unlikely in the extreme because of the difficulty of controlling heading, descent rate and descent speed within the parameters of 'controlled' flight.

‘It takes a highly skilled pilot to interpret the "EFIS" (Electronic Flight Instrument Display) display, with which none of the hijacker pilots would have been familiar or received training on, and use his controls, including the ailerons, rudder, elevators, spoilers and throttles to effect, control and maintain a descent.

Lear has, according to his sworn statement, flown over 100 different types of planes during his 40 years of flying and holds more FAA airman certificates than any other FAA certificated airman. He flew secret missions for the CIA in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1967 and 1983 then spent 17 years working for several passenger and cargo airlines as Captain, Check Airman and Instructor.

He is a member of Pilotsfor911truth.org, which has consistently shown that it was impossible for jet airliners to have hit the Twin Towers in the way the 9/11 Commission has suggested.

The Commission did not take evidence from experts or pilots when it conducted its enquiry into the attacks from 2002 to 2004.

this is only one man's testimony -- there are countless others, engineers who found thermite explosives in the dust that settled on parked cars up to 10 blocks away. etc.
Looking back, it is clear this was the impetus, the excuse, for the war on terror, which now has been taken to the citizens of the usa, the war on the citizens now, all the spy-technology developed to track terrorists and plots is now being applied to the free citizens of america, they are using it against you all now, surveliiance, drones, NSA, you name it, the whole thing was a cover to bring the "war on terror" home to american soil, the war is on the people now, on their right to bear arms, on their rights to free speech, to privacy, to organize and demonstrate in public. The whole apparatus is now being applied to americans at home.

IF BUSH AND CHENEY WERE SO WORRIED ABOUT AL QAEDA SNEAKING IN TO THE USA, WHY DIDNT THEY SEAL THE BORDERS WITH MEXICO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ILLEGAL MEXICANS GET IN EVERY DAY? WHY COULDNT ILLEGAL AL QAEDA HAVE SNUCK IN SINCE 2001 WHY HAVE THERE BEEN NO ATTACKS BY AL QAEDA WHO SNUCK IN THRU MEXICAN BORDER THEREFORE THERE WAS NO AL QAEDA.

AL QAEDA IS AL C.I.A. -DA.
@El Kabong

[Fenster]

What does that old luntaic think hit the towers if it wasn't planes?

[brocktonblockbust]

What does that old luntaic think hit the towers if it wasn't planes?

MISSILES. Hologram technology to make it look like an aircraft. OR..........
unmanned aircraft---REMOTE CONTROL AIRCRAFT. OR............

they were real aircraft with real passengers and the US govt did the hijacking or allowed it to be hijacked to justify the "war" on Iraq. Wow, this is so hard to imagine for some people. Like the US govt never experimented on people with deadly chemicals, radiation, still doing it now with fluoride, etc...., slow killing with hydrogenated oils, etc.... GMO foods, etc..... this is so hard for some people to accept that their own Big Brother would not care about them and sell them ciagettes even after a 1954 study proved they caused cancer, well, who cares about our people, Philip Morris has to keep the profits up, releasing radiation over Biloxi Mississippi to see how many people would get cancer, etc.... NO THE US GOVT WOULD NEVER HURT ITS PEOPLE. gullible numb-skulls. "Murrica! The highest autism, OCD, Tourette's, schizophrenia, bi-polar, ADD, ADHD, intermittent-explosive disorder, dyslexia population on Earth. Ever wonder why?

[Andre]

Haha funny how all those families who lost all their loved ones on the 3 flights went to services cause hundreds went missing off of those exact flights.
Or were all those families in on the holograph too and all their relatives are happily living in Mexico or something.
Next.

[Beanz]

Ockrams Razor.

[Gandalf]

Of course it was. The dead end world that is, is exceptional, the world is over. We are delaying real collapse. Not a thing felt yet, but we will and should. It will be pure suffering and why not, we should suffer.

[Freedom]

It was terrorists, but not Muslims who planned and orchestrated the events of September 11/01.

It was another Mossad false flag operation. They may have used Muslims to hijack the planes and carry it out.

The UK and US governments had nothing to do with it, I think Bush and other leaders knew after the events who was responsible but was afraid to say or do anything.

The purpose of the attacks was to create anti-Muslim sentiment in the USA, setting the stage for American invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

[brocktonblockbust]

Haha funny how all those families who lost all their loved ones on the 3 flights went to services cause hundreds went missing off of those exact flights.
Or were all those families in on the holograph too and all their relatives are happily living in Mexico or something.
Next.

if you read my last paragraph mate I said "IT WAS REAL PLANES WITH REAL PEOPLE...."..etc. Please re-read it. I said that, and I think it is the most likely scenario. They were sacrificed. Has been done countless times before since 1900 in the US and by the US abroad as well.