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    Its al done by the position of whats below the waist.
    What do you mean by below the waist?
    Understand what actually moves us, and gives us the ability to create power and direction. Its the floor, we dont drive of the floor, we drive in to it. Its all done by Feet and Knees, thats your mechanics of movement. They give you direction and Drive and Depth, and balance.
    Isn't the back? We were taught that you can punch hard if you put your back in to the punch.
    If you do that you lose balance what moves the back in balance are the feet and knees. Hips only move 6% to protect the coxxys its the knees that do most of the work. Stand with your ankles and knees locked straight try and move your hips. Understand the mechanics of walking, 1st thing we do standing as a baby.
    What degree of bend is required in knees and what hour are the toes pointed too?
    15% both knees, when lifting the heel to throw the hook, where the heels lift, drop the knees the same amount on the turn. Time between 10 and 15 minutes past 12 imagine you have a piece of 3x2 between the heels.
    Ok so pick up the rear heel (left hook) then drop it and come up on the lead foot (toes).
    No dont drop the back heel but bend both knees
    Just practiced it, and I almost tore the knee. Both heels up?

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    Its al done by the position of whats below the waist.
    What do you mean by below the waist?
    Understand what actually moves us, and gives us the ability to create power and direction. Its the floor, we dont drive of the floor, we drive in to it. Its all done by Feet and Knees, thats your mechanics of movement. They give you direction and Drive and Depth, and balance.
    Isn't the back? We were taught that you can punch hard if you put your back in to the punch.
    If you do that you lose balance what moves the back in balance are the feet and knees. Hips only move 6% to protect the coxxys its the knees that do most of the work. Stand with your ankles and knees locked straight try and move your hips. Understand the mechanics of walking, 1st thing we do standing as a baby.
    What degree of bend is required in knees and what hour are the toes pointed too?
    15% both knees, when lifting the heel to throw the hook, where the heels lift, drop the knees the same amount on the turn. Time between 10 and 15 minutes past 12 imagine you have a piece of 3x2 between the heels.
    Ok so pick up the rear heel (left hook) then drop it and come up on the lead foot (toes).
    No dont drop the back heel but bend both knees
    Just practiced it, and I almost tore the knee. Both heels up?
    Did you turn the front foot.
    Pain lasts a only a minute, but the memory will last forever....

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    Its al done by the position of whats below the waist.
    What do you mean by below the waist?
    Understand what actually moves us, and gives us the ability to create power and direction. Its the floor, we dont drive of the floor, we drive in to it. Its all done by Feet and Knees, thats your mechanics of movement. They give you direction and Drive and Depth, and balance.
    Isn't the back? We were taught that you can punch hard if you put your back in to the punch.
    If you do that you lose balance what moves the back in balance are the feet and knees. Hips only move 6% to protect the coxxys its the knees that do most of the work. Stand with your ankles and knees locked straight try and move your hips. Understand the mechanics of walking, 1st thing we do standing as a baby.
    What degree of bend is required in knees and what hour are the toes pointed too?
    15% both knees, when lifting the heel to throw the hook, where the heels lift, drop the knees the same amount on the turn. Time between 10 and 15 minutes past 12 imagine you have a piece of 3x2 between the heels.
    Ok so pick up the rear heel (left hook) then drop it and come up on the lead foot (toes).
    No dont drop the back heel but bend both knees
    Just practiced it, and I almost tore the knee. Both heels up?
    We were taught to push the left hook off the front foot this hook is new and snappy, can we throw the straight right with out picking up the rear heel?

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    Foot has to be turned. otherwise you are pushing the shot. Any shot the foot should be that direction the fist is going. Heel on floor the TFL is not engaged, so the posterior chain cant work.
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    Foot has to be turned. otherwise you are pushing the shot. Any shot the foot should be that direction the fist is going. Heel on floor the TFL is not engaged, so the posterior chain cant work.
    Turned my lead toe to 3 o'clock and it functions however I keep falling back on the rear leg. Appearing that I'm off balance, is my weight to fall straight downward or can I fall on my rear foot?

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    Default Re: Left Hook

    Hi Everyone,
    Grey said:
    You see most guys now throwing the left hook off the front foot. In this fight, you'll see garza throwing it off his back foot, the weight going there first.
    Foundationally (and traditionally with many a trainer), a "properly" executed left hook is generally performed by pivoting on the ball of the lead left foot while simultaneously shifting your weight to the rear right foot in a synergistic manner. Now, while I agree in principle with this and, in fact, teach beginners this way, I believe that after relative "unconscious competency" has been attained, one must go outside this box to truly functionalize its adaptability and versatility in full-on combat application (be it in boxing, kickboxing, MMA, or street fighting). With that said, I think it's important to develop the ability to throw a left hook off the back foot AND off the front foot because each has its place in the scheme of spontaneous, unpredictable, resistive combat.

    Watch the following clips of three renowned left hookers and you'll see what I mean. You'll see them throw left hooks off the rear foot in some cases AND off the lead foot in others. It just depends on their relative position and "flow" in relationship to their opponent's position and movement at the moment.








    Anyway...

    Take Care,
    Lito

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    My coach tells me what did is called throwing the hook off the back, which I like since its natural however coach says that it won't work! Says that boxing is about aggression what I'm doing is pot shoting also that it's danger because if I miss I'll be off balance or could be easily countered. Coach said that the best way to hook is by stepping in and throwing the hook of the front foot. What is your opinion Scrap?

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    Foot has to be turned. otherwise you are pushing the shot. Any shot the foot should be that direction the fist is going. Heel on floor the TFL is not engaged, so the posterior chain cant work.
    Turned my lead toe to 3 o'clock and it functions however I keep falling back on the rear leg. Appearing that I'm off balance, is my weight to fall straight downward or can I fall on my rear foot?
    Drop on both feet, front foot turn and drive, back foot drive or lock at knee.
    Pain lasts a only a minute, but the memory will last forever....

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    Heres something you can try to understand, what im saying. Stand knees relaxed and slightly bent, with arms out in front of you,palms turned up. As fast as you can turn both palms down, then turn them up, feel whats happening to the hips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap View Post
    Heres something you can try to understand, what im saying. Stand knees relaxed and slightly bent, with arms out in front of you,palms turned up. As fast as you can turn both palms down, then turn them up, feel whats happening to the hips.
    A unique weighted hook I've never seen a hook like and my palms never went below 90 degrees. Scrap must the elbow be at 80-70 degrees North?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCBUD View Post
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    Heres something you can try to understand, what im saying. Stand knees relaxed and slightly bent, with arms out in front of you,palms turned up. As fast as you can turn both palms down, then turn them up, feel whats happening to the hips.
    A unique weighted hook I've never seen a hook like and my palms never went below 90 degrees. Scrap must the elbow be at 80-70 degrees North?
    All that does is show the kinetic linl to the thumb and hip. By turning the shot thumb facing you, it locks the bicep and tricep tendons in the upper arm protecting the shoulder. Plus giving you better direction. Depends on direction where the elbow is, people dont estimate the importance of the opposite side the right to the importance of the left hook, its a balancing act.
    Pain lasts a only a minute, but the memory will last forever....

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    Heres something you can try to understand, what im saying. Stand knees relaxed and slightly bent, with arms out in front of you,palms turned up. As fast as you can turn both palms down, then turn them up, feel whats happening to the hips.
    A unique weighted hook I've never seen a hook like and my palms never went below 90 degrees. Scrap must the elbow be at 80-70 degrees North?
    All that does is show the kinetic linl to the thumb and hip. By turning the shot thumb facing you, it locks the bicep and tricep tendons in the upper arm protecting the shoulder. Plus giving you better direction. Depends on direction where the elbow is, people dont estimate the importance of the opposite side the right to the importance of the left hook, its a balancing act.
    That goes against everything that I was taught and that is that the thumb is upwards in a power line motion. It's snappier to turn the thumb facing me. Almost certain that I'm gonna be be thrown out the gym for insurrection. The straight right hand is the same movement knees bent back heel stays planted is this correct?

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    Heel is lifted 2 reasons, 1 because the knees bent, they work together. 2nd it gives rotation to the hip, and Tenses facies lata, the thing that orchestrates the posterior chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap View Post
    Heel is lifted 2 reasons, 1 because the knees bent, they work together. 2nd it gives rotation to the hip, and Tenses facies lata, the thing that orchestrates the posterior chain.
    Conventional wisdom taught us that the front leg provided for striking with maximum leverage therefore at our gym stepping into the punch is protocol. Is this also true with your style?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCBUD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap View Post
    Heel is lifted 2 reasons, 1 because the knees bent, they work together. 2nd it gives rotation to the hip, and Tenses facies lata, the thing that orchestrates the posterior chain.
    Conventional wisdom taught us that the front leg provided for striking with maximum leverage therefore at our gym stepping into the punch is protocol. Is this also true with your style?
    Look at great fighters, they dont lean in, its all about distance and balance, as regards gravity. Example, throwing a jab if you lean one thing happens your head goes with it. Now if the head is out of position and the backl knee isnt bent, his counter is going to hurt, more than if you were where you should be in balance. Plus you are not in a position to counter the counter, simple really.
    Pain lasts a only a minute, but the memory will last forever....

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