Somebody said earlier that the jump from welter to middle seems to be larger than a corresponding leap between other divisions.
I hadn't thought about that, and I think it's a good point. Only the very best manage to hold welter and middle titles .... people like Emile Griffith, Carmen Basilio and Ray Robinson come to mind as possibly the only three who were the true undisputed world champions.
Even split title holders who have done this are an impressive bunch, Tommy Hearns, Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Oscar de la Hoya, Felix Trinidad and Miguel Cotto. I had to look this up, so there may be more.
Perhaps, as it is in the 'middle' 😀 Of the divisions, it tends to be a bit of a crossroads. In the olden days of 8 weight divisions with a sizeable difference between them, it was much harder to become a multiple weight champion. In more modern times, nutrition has allowed people to move weights more effectively, and perhaps people start off lighter, such as Floyd and Manny, and then move up but are too physically small to get all the way up to middle from welter. Equally, people may start off at around middle and then fill out and move up from there, such as Roy Jones, James Toney etc.
Just comparing Floyd and Manny with Roy and James seems ridiculous doesn't it?
If God wanted us to be vegetarians, why are animals made of meat ?
Always big of a guy to flap his gums from the sideline. Dumb point though, if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his arse when he hops, but who cares.
The mans a tool. What did Leonard weigh when he fought Hagler? What did Robinson weigh when he fought Maxim? All this talk about p4p. Floyd should just shut his pie-hole. He's probably seriously considering fighting the winner of the sham middleweight/ring/bling championship and yet dismisses a fight with the real deal because of weight. He must have forgotten that Alvarez weighs the same as Golovkin on fight night.
I'm pretty sure the stats show that Floyd is TBE.
If this and if that, it's easy for any fighter to say whatever he wants about another fighter. It's all hot air until they get in there together. Floyd didn't say he could beat GGG, he said if this and if that.
Floyd is saying it so it carries more weight and I agree with him, you know if this and if that. 🤓
I have to agree. There's no disputing his abilities and talents. At the same time, that title was self proclaimed. Its not like he was nominated by another fighter who's opinion carries any weight. The fact that he was a pretentious, self indulgent primadonna kind just makes its own counter argument to his claim. If we're inviting hypotheticals into the conversation consistently across the board, then it should be "He was the best ever as long as his opponents conceded to wearing the gloves he preferred, taking the drug tests he wanted, fought when he wanted to (day/ year) the location he wanted, for the money he wanted to give them, weighing what he wanted them to weigh, don't mind losing by sucker punch, don't retaliate (bite) when he tries to suffocate you in a clinch by putting his glove over your mouth and nose, don't mind getting hit by forearms, let him announce the fights, endure racist rants, don't mind him getting administered IV's to rehydrate, etc. etc.)
The best ever... at gaining an advantage, or leveraging a check against an opponent, self promoting--i'll agree with. If he didn't have the skills to win without all that, we wouldn't even be having these discussions. People would write him off as a haye/stevenson type who's body cant keep up with the checks his mouth keeps writing. But everyone knows he has/had an amazing skillset and ring IQ. So all the nickel and dime-ing just makes it seem like he's a spoiled brat who was running scared and doing anything he could to protect his zero. Everyone wants to see a guy like that tested. Not see him go through with a fight he orchestrates from start to finish and then fall down on his knees and start crying like a little girl afterwards to convince those watching, that they witnessed an incredible feat.
I was a fan of his when he was beating people without the BS and looked like he was dominating and not just trying to survive. I can't remember the last pure statement the guy made in the ring with no stips, against a good fighter in their prime, using his full arsenal (slipping, moving, punching with bad intentions, putting fast accurate combinations together) with no controversy after. Once boxing became "a business" to him, he lost his heart and spent more time trying to cripple his opponents pref-fight and worrying about what he was going to wear and what he was going to eat, than he did actually fighting.
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They want your @$$ beat because upsets make news. News brings about excitement, excitement brings about ratings. The objective is to bring you up to the tower and tear your @$$ down. And if you don't believe that, you're crazy.
Roy Jones, Jr. "What I've Learned," Esquire 2003
Floyd is the best of this era.
floyds just a nob
if he weren't a boxer even the people who like him now would think he is just an annoying little nob
Officially the only saddo who has had a girlfriend
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