Trump withdraws from the 2015 Paris Climate agreement

[El Kabong]

Is everyone ready??






It's the end of the Paris Climate Agreement as we know it and I feel fine

[El Kabong]

Maybe this is where I can explain my lack of worry in regards to this issue, not the Paris agreement but the Anthropogenic Climate Change issue as a whole....I see the people talking the most about how Anthropogenic Climate Change is an "Existential threat to our planet/lives/etc" and I don't see them living their lives as if they believe what they are saying for example Al Gore he says quite a lot about climate change: massive storms, rising sea levels, fossil fuels = death etc

And yet we see Al Gore buy a beachfront home in California, we see him jet set in private jets, we see him sell his television company to Al Jazeera which was built and is run with with oil money.


We hear Leo DiCaprio yada yada yada about the Climate and then we see him fly on a private jet from NY to LA SIX times in SIX weeks.



The average person can look at those guys and know for a FACT they don't practice what they preach and when there are people in Pennsylvania and Michigan who have been out of work due to the real life effects of the Paris Climate Accord who don't want to ruin the Earth they just want to be able to provide for their families Anthropogenic Climate Change become an extremely hard sell regardless of what any scientist might say.....sorry dude, feeding my family is priority #1 and if Bill DeBlasio can have a motorcade of SUVs then the world ain't going to go down because I have a hamburger....oh what's that Nobody is saying I can't/shouldn't grill out?


http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marb...ls-smoky-truth


.....and there you have it

[Gandalf]

"Military protector of the world"?? After destroying the entire Middle East you have the audacity to say that? It would be funny if it wasn't so deluded.

[El Kabong]

"Military protector of the world"?? After destroying the entire Middle East you have the audacity to say that? It would be funny if it wasn't so deluded.

The Middle East was destroyed well before the United States got there so sell it to someone else miles.

If you recall BP and the UK got the US involved in Iran to start with

[brocktonblockbust]

Miles the US is the ,military protector of South Korea. That place would be a sea of fire if it werent for the US of A in force there since 53.

[Nameless]

When 97% of the world's scientists agree about the problem, that we've been able to measure quite accurately the amount of C02 in the air at staggering levels and when greedy bastards like Disney's CEO got out of Trump gov for this retraction, I think that we can easily say that yes, climate change is a PROBLEM and it would be about time for the denial-ers to get their fact straights and to evaluate the consequences for the species (including ours) VERY seriously.

Trump is as idiot as he is ignorant. At least, there is a glimpse of sun: on a procedural level, the US can't pull out before 2020 and Trump is quite likely to not get reelected.

@Nameless, bruh I respect you and all but there's a few things wrong with what you're saying

#1. That whole "97% of the world's scientists agree" deal is false John Cook started this myth and yeah it's a MYTH that 97% of "The World's Scientists" his survey sample was in the double digits, I think there's more than 99 scientists in the world don't you? ALSO even if you accept that "study" it doesn't provide a magnitude of climate change is it millions of degrees in a matter of years or thousands of feet of seas level change in months? NO! We're not talking whole degrees and we're barely talking millimeters in sea levels OVER DECADES! And it also NEVER weighs in on the benefits of cheap fuels.

#2. CO2 regardless of where it comes from is plant food and therefore limiting that would be bad for?? PLANTS! https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13428

#3. The Paris Climate Accord is an "Accord" and not a Treaty ergo Jean Claude Junker can fuck right off with his "Meeeh, you can't leave for years meeeeeeh" bullshit, Treaties have to pass through congress and Barack Obama decided (for some unknown reason ) decided NOT to send this agreement through Congress and therefore it's not a binding treaty because the representatives of the people didn't have their say and President Obama acted like a dictator.

#4. Donald Trump will be reelected people voted for him to do EXACTLY like that. The United States alone isn't flipping the bill for Global Warming/Climate Change et al.



If you see rising water no worries, those are just the tears of Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio.

No Lyle, it's pretty much true and all the biggest independent agencies all agree on it and there is not one top scientist, from Bill Nye to Neil Degasse who don't agree, including the MIT scientists (which Trump did got schooled because he did misquote them.


Just for a fact, Exxon Mobil knew 40 years ago that the petrol operation were causing climate change (man made, that is), they just refused to never reveal it. HOw do you explain that? The petrol guys themselves admitting it!!! https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-40-years-ago/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...climate-change

NOW, just for a fun fact, did you know that the 20 senators that did lobby very very very hard to the orange retard to get out of Paris agreements... did receive 20 millions from the petrol cartel?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ergy-donations

Sorry but when official documents prove the bad guys knew it before climate change was much talked about, it blow the whole bubble that "climate change doesn't exist" in an instant and when they are caught read hand in the jar paying senators to do their dirty job...


Oh, as for the 97% agreeing: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...cientists-many

One important fact checker at forbes listed the whole as more like "between 90 too 100% but not necessarily 97% for various reasons and calling it " a robust consensus" which is still, even when one tries to be picky and sceptic, highly significative. https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenerg.../#c8eb69911576

[walrus]

When 97% of the world's scientists agree about the problem, that we've been able to measure quite accurately the amount of C02 in the air at staggering levels and when greedy bastards like Disney's CEO got out of Trump gov for this retraction, I think that we can easily say that yes, climate change is a PROBLEM and it would be about time for the denial-ers to get their fact straights and to evaluate the consequences for the species (including ours) VERY seriously.

Trump is as idiot as he is ignorant. At least, there is a glimpse of sun: on a procedural level, the US can't pull out before 2020 and Trump is quite likely to not get reelected.

@Nameless, bruh I respect you and all but there's a few things wrong with what you're saying

#1. That whole "97% of the world's scientists agree" deal is false John Cook started this myth and yeah it's a MYTH that 97% of "The World's Scientists" his survey sample was in the double digits, I think there's more than 99 scientists in the world don't you? ALSO even if you accept that "study" it doesn't provide a magnitude of climate change is it millions of degrees in a matter of years or thousands of feet of seas level change in months? NO! We're not talking whole degrees and we're barely talking millimeters in sea levels OVER DECADES! And it also NEVER weighs in on the benefits of cheap fuels.

#2. CO2 regardless of where it comes from is plant food and therefore limiting that would be bad for?? PLANTS! https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13428

#3. The Paris Climate Accord is an "Accord" and not a Treaty ergo Jean Claude Junker can fuck right off with his "Meeeh, you can't leave for years meeeeeeh" bullshit, Treaties have to pass through congress and Barack Obama decided (for some unknown reason ) decided NOT to send this agreement through Congress and therefore it's not a binding treaty because the representatives of the people didn't have their say and President Obama acted like a dictator.

#4. Donald Trump will be reelected people voted for him to do EXACTLY like that. The United States alone isn't flipping the bill for Global Warming/Climate Change et al.



If you see rising water no worries, those are just the tears of Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio.

No Lyle, it's pretty much true and all the biggest independent agencies all agree on it and there is not one top scientist, from Bill Nye to Neil Degasse who don't agree, including the MIT scientists (which Trump did got schooled because he did misquote them.


Just for a fact, Exxon Mobil knew 40 years ago that the petrol operation were causing climate change (man made, that is), they just refused to never reveal it. HOw do you explain that? The petrol guys themselves admitting it!!! https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-40-years-ago/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...climate-change

NOW, just for a fun fact, did you know that the 20 senators that did lobby very very very hard to the orange retard to get out of Paris agreements... did receive 20 millions from the petrol cartel?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ergy-donations

Sorry but when official documents prove the bad guys knew it before climate change was much talked about, it blow the whole bubble that "climate change doesn't exist" in an instant and when they are caught read hand in the jar paying senators to do their dirty job...


Oh, as for the 97% agreeing: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...cientists-many

One important fact checker at forbes listed the whole as more like "between 90 too 100% but not necessarily 97% for various reasons and calling it " a robust consensus" which is still, even when one tries to be picky and sceptic, highly significative. https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenerg.../#c8eb69911576

Every senator and both parties receive money from the oil cartels. They don't take any chances

[El Kabong]

No Lyle, it's pretty much true and all the biggest independent agencies all agree on it and there is not one top scientist, from Bill Nye to Neil Degasse who don't agree, including the MIT scientists (which Trump did got schooled because he did misquote them.


Just for a fact, Exxon Mobil knew 40 years ago that the petrol operation were causing climate change (man made, that is), they just refused to never reveal it. HOw do you explain that? The petrol guys themselves admitting it!!! https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-40-years-ago/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...climate-change

NOW, just for a fun fact, did you know that the 20 senators that did lobby very very very hard to the orange retard to get out of Paris agreements... did receive 20 millions from the petrol cartel?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ergy-donations

Sorry but when official documents prove the bad guys knew it before climate change was much talked about, it blow the whole bubble that "climate change doesn't exist" in an instant and when they are caught read hand in the jar paying senators to do their dirty job...


Oh, as for the 97% agreeing: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...cientists-many

One important fact checker at forbes listed the whole as more like "between 90 too 100% but not necessarily 97% for various reasons and calling it " a robust consensus" which is still, even when one tries to be picky and sceptic, highly significative. https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenerg.../#c8eb69911576

Bill Nye doesn't even have a Master's Degree, he's a Mechanical Engineer who wears a bow tie and believes in Gender Fluidity I'll be damned if he's going to tell me ANYTHING about the environment or climate.

Dr. Patrick Moore, PHD in Ecology and founder of Greenpeace
Nobel laureate Ivar Giaever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...global_warming
Among others....don't necessarily agree on Anthropogenic Climate Change

But yes, let's go down the rabbit hole Nameless....what are we as humans going to give up in order to "save the Earth"? HMMM? Has ANYONE thought of this at all? Anybody thought of the consequences of this at all? The remaining members of the Paris Accords are building 2,440 NEW coal plants and what is the crux of the argument? "Well Trump and America are HORRIBLE EVIL people for leaving the Paris Accords"........


Thank you, I'll accept that...now it's YOUR turn, it's YOUR turn to put your money where your mouth is, the Climate is warming due to man? Well I had guess YOU better get to doing something in order to mitigate that shit. Not you as an individual, you as a nation, you as a people who believe in that, you better stop TALKING about Climate Change and start ACTING like it's happening, and maybe then you'll win some people over but until then I'm not listening to Bill fucking Nye, I'm not listening to Al fucking Gore, and I'm not listening to Leo DiCaprio, they can save their "Buy carbon offsets" horse crap for the dupes who do listen to them! If it wasn't a fucking scam why did they copy the Catholic Church's buying of indulgences?!?!?!

[El Kabong]

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/new...arctic-glacier





Climate Alarmists....


ALWAYS


REVISE


THEIR


BULLSHIT

[TitoFan]

This has devolved into the predictable argument of climate change..... believers vs. deniers.


What I don't understand is why..... when even many energy company CEO's in the US supported the Paris Agreement..... why did Trump decided against it. Is it possible that his objections, obviously rooted in money and jobs, were based on faulty information? Did Trump give this Agreement the analysis it deserves? Or was it just another knee-jerk reaction from Donald? Is there some sort of statement where people can feel assured that the U.S. does care about the environment.... and is not merely regressing back several decades?

Obviously support and criticism will predictably fall along party lines. What else is new....

[El Kabong]

This has devolved into the predictable argument of climate change..... believers vs. deniers.


What I don't understand is why..... when even many energy company CEO's in the US supported the Paris Agreement..... why did Trump decided against it. Is it possible that his objections, obviously rooted in money and jobs, were based on faulty information? Did Trump give this Agreement the analysis it deserves? Or was it just another knee-jerk reaction from Donald? Is there some sort of statement where people can feel assured that the U.S. does care about the environment.... and is not merely regressing back several decades?

Obviously support and criticism will predictably fall along party lines. What else is new....

People voted for him based on the fact that he would make decisions just like this!


People want the United States to rule and govern for them and not for the good of the world whatever that might be. Our politicians answer to us and us alone!

America always leads by example is this kind of shit! Anything we can throw our money at besides veterans and education right? Anything new we can tax the people for!

[TitoFan]

This has devolved into the predictable argument of climate change..... believers vs. deniers.


What I don't understand is why..... when even many energy company CEO's in the US supported the Paris Agreement..... why did Trump decided against it. Is it possible that his objections, obviously rooted in money and jobs, were based on faulty information? Did Trump give this Agreement the analysis it deserves? Or was it just another knee-jerk reaction from Donald? Is there some sort of statement where people can feel assured that the U.S. does care about the environment.... and is not merely regressing back several decades?

Obviously support and criticism will predictably fall along party lines. What else is new....

People voted for him based on the fact that he would make decisions just like this!


People want the United States to rule and govern for them and not for the good of the world whatever that might be. Our politicians answer to us and us alone!

America always leads by example is this kind of shit! Anything we can throw our money at besides veterans and education right? Anything new we can tax the people for!

Well hopefully after Trump people will come to their senses and vote for a man who not only runs the country well, but also cares about global issues, like any leader of a powerful country should.

[Gandalf]

Not true, Lyle. People voted for Trump because the democrats were corrupt and fielded the worst possible candidate. People didn't like Trump and people liked Clinton even less. It is highly unlikely that Trump won because people preferred his stance on global warming denial.

[El Kabong]

Well hopefully after Trump people will come to their senses and vote for a man who not only runs the country well, but also cares about global issues, like any leader of a powerful country should.

Again, when the rest of the fucking world starts pulling their own weight then we can talk. Look at NATO, look at the UN, look at any huge disaster earthquake, tsunami, drought, famine, who is the first to show up and with the most money? The United States, that's fucking who.

Not true, Lyle. People voted for Trump because the democrats were corrupt and fielded the worst possible candidate. People didn't like Trump and people liked Clinton even less. It is highly unlikely that Trump won because people preferred his stance on global warming denial.

No, people didn't vote for Trump because they were voting against Crooked Hillary and the Corrupt Democrats because if they WERE, if that WAS the belief then the Democrat party would simply cease to be. I WISH that was the case, but no the people who voted for Trump voted for an outsider who was going to at the very least TRY to put the American citizen first.

[Beanz]

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