Trump withdraws from the 2015 Paris Climate agreement

[El Kabong]

What about the other thousands of miles of US coastline you fucking idiot? And what 2.7 million jobs?

You mean the thousands of miles not located right next to the ever changing Mississippi delta? What about it?


Thanks for calling me an idiot.


The estimated jobs lost had the United States stayed in the Paris Accords....thought you had been paying attention to that, but whatever, I understand. Anything Trump does = WRONG and anything YOU say = right. I'll agree with you, only if you want me to do so Kirkland.

[Kirkland Laing]

What about the other thousands of miles of US coastline you fucking idiot? And what 2.7 million jobs?

You mean the thousands of miles not located right next to the ever changing Mississippi delta? What about it?


Thanks for calling me an idiot.


The estimated jobs lost had the United States stayed in the Paris Accords....thought you had been paying attention to that, but whatever, I understand. Anything Trump does = WRONG and anything YOU say = right. I'll agree with you, only if you want me to do so Kirkland.

Just because Donald Trump says something doesn't make it true. There are no millions of projected job losses if American stays in the Paris agreement. Quite the opposite. Clean energy means huge amounts of new well paying jobs. Solar energy already employs nearly three times as many Americans as are employed in the US oil and gas industries.

[walrus]

What about the other thousands of miles of US coastline you fucking idiot? And what 2.7 million jobs?

You mean the thousands of miles not located right next to the ever changing Mississippi delta? What about it?


Thanks for calling me an idiot.


The estimated jobs lost had the United States stayed in the Paris Accords....thought you had been paying attention to that, but whatever, I understand. Anything Trump does = WRONG and anything YOU say = right. I'll agree with you, only if you want me to do so Kirkland.

Just because Donald Trump says something doesn't make it true. There are no millions of projected job losses if American stays in the Paris agreement. Quite the opposite. Clean energy means huge amounts of new well paying jobs. Solar energy already employs nearly three times as many Americans as are employed in the US oil and gas industries.

It wasn't trump who came out with it idiot it was independent studies

[El Kabong]

Clean energy means huge amounts of new well paying jobs. Solar energy already employs nearly three times as many Americans as are employed in the US oil and gas industries.

Think that has anything to do with the moratorium on drilling? Building new refineries? Government subsidies of "green" energy? I'm not saying the government doesn't also chip in on oil and natural gas (natural gas, also very clean).


Where do you get the materials needed for building "green" energy plants be they wind or solar? Steel and carbon fiber reinforced plastics.....how do you get those things? How are those made? How efficient is it to produce those things? How efficient is it to produce those things WITHOUT fossil fuels?


Yes, Yes, I know we're all going to die Anthropogenic Climate Change, yes, yes......we should be so lucky

[Kirkland Laing]

Clean energy means huge amounts of new well paying jobs. Solar energy already employs nearly three times as many Americans as are employed in the US oil and gas industries.

Think that has anything to do with the moratorium on drilling? Building new refineries? Government subsidies of "green" energy? I'm not saying the government doesn't also chip in on oil and natural gas (natural gas, also very clean).


Where do you get the materials needed for building "green" energy plants be they wind or solar? Steel and carbon fiber reinforced plastics.....how do you get those things? How are those made? How efficient is it to produce those things? How efficient is it to produce those things WITHOUT fossil fuels?


Yes, Yes, I know we're all going to die Anthropogenic Climate Change, yes, yes......we should be so lucky

There no moratorium on drilling. There's a moratorium on giving away huge chunks of state owned land for free to the oil companies as a. the Obama administration wanted payment for them at market rates but the poil companies wanted to continue state socialist subsidies/giveaways and b. they're just stockpiling land, they're only currently drilling on about 5% of the land they already have rights to drill on.

Refinery companies don't want to build new refineries. It's much more profitable to operate current refineries at full capacity. There are constant breakdowns and they can crank refining prices right up when there's a production halt somewhere.

One you build those clean energy facilities you can then make steel and any other construction materials with clean energy ad infinitum. It's the magic of the marketplace Lyle. Costs fall dramatically the more things are adopted. Cheaper energy means steel plants and any other plants can put in new equipment that runs on clean energy and pays for itself. And costs continue to go down as clean energy is adopted more and more. Solar electricity is the same price as electricity from coal-fired plants in China and cheaper than coal-fired plants in India. Trump is going to make US forms fall behind foreign firms in adopting and creating new technologies. Even the frigging oil and gas companies, who have big investments in clean energy, told him to stay in the Paris agreement. But he pulled out because with no actual policy agenda at home and not having a clue what he's doing this is one of the few things he can do that he can point to. But it's shooting the country in the foot.

[Kirkland Laing]

What about the other thousands of miles of US coastline you fucking idiot? And what 2.7 million jobs?

You mean the thousands of miles not located right next to the ever changing Mississippi delta? What about it?


Thanks for calling me an idiot.


The estimated jobs lost had the United States stayed in the Paris Accords....thought you had been paying attention to that, but whatever, I understand. Anything Trump does = WRONG and anything YOU say = right. I'll agree with you, only if you want me to do so Kirkland.

Just because Donald Trump says something doesn't make it true. There are no millions of projected job losses if American stays in the Paris agreement. Quite the opposite. Clean energy means huge amounts of new well paying jobs. Solar energy already employs nearly three times as many Americans as are employed in the US oil and gas industries.

It wasn't trump who came out with it idiot it was independent studies

Show me these independent studies. I bet you can't.

[Gandalf]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009

A town of just about 2,000 people vs 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025





Geez what a hard choice to make



And again....the agreement would have "no discernible effect on global temperatures"....and you are never going to address that part are you? That "no discernible effect on global temperatures" part....you're just going to never talk about that and just hope it goes away.

Is it all really just about temperature? Maybe it's okay in your bubble, but out there in big cities across the world people are actually suffocating so that negligent corporations can carry on polluting and making a buck at everyone's expense. This is where the rich should cough up (pun intended) as they are making money from suffering. There is a very nice beach area out here, but it is made horrible by nearby heavy industry. I think there comes a point where you say "What are we as a society about? Making money for the few and making the rest suffer, or let's just have a little bit of moderation?" It's not such a lefty, radical suggestion to make.

When people say "Climate Change" they mean temperature right until you make that a moot point and then it's goal post moving time.


What cities? Where? Do list them off please.



Beanz your tattling on ExxonMobil is noted BUT the Paris Accords were never passed through Congress (thanks Obama) and therefore it was always President Trump's call alone. Also they urged Trump to leave? Dude read that Accord, see the terms and conditions and tell me not only are they 100% good for the climate they are 100% good for the economy AND other nations w were following suit in the exact same manner. Nations told members of the Paris Accord "Fuck you, pay me" but naaash man everything is equal.

You should try visiting Pohang where the Posco corporation belches out pollution on a daily basis. Pollution that causes cancer, asthma, and immune disorders. I would suggest any area where there is largescale manufacturing or heavy metal production or coal burning. Go to Hong Kong and see how it looks, go to Seoul, go to any major city these days. Humans are living like rats in cages and not only are we putting them through that, but we are suffocating them because we refuse to get real on very serious problems.

Your global warming denial is alarming. Why is your country so strange? Half the country thinks man walked with dinosaurs, a sizeable minority do not believe that climate change is real, and many of you are in denial about what your country does around the world. It's weird you know. Sometimes you need to look beyond the bubble to see how strange it looks. It's not just you guys, the Brits just voted the Tories back in again. It's all very strange.

[walrus]

What about the other thousands of miles of US coastline you fucking idiot? And what 2.7 million jobs?

You mean the thousands of miles not located right next to the ever changing Mississippi delta? What about it?


Thanks for calling me an idiot.


The estimated jobs lost had the United States stayed in the Paris Accords....thought you had been paying attention to that, but whatever, I understand. Anything Trump does = WRONG and anything YOU say = right. I'll agree with you, only if you want me to do so Kirkland.

Just because Donald Trump says something doesn't make it true. There are no millions of projected job losses if American stays in the Paris agreement. Quite the opposite. Clean energy means huge amounts of new well paying jobs. Solar energy already employs nearly three times as many Americans as are employed in the US oil and gas industries.

It wasn't trump who came out with it idiot it was independent studies

Show me these independent studies. I bet you can't.

Dude are you crazy they have been all over the news and papers are you that insane?

[El Kabong]

You should try visiting Pohang where the Posco corporation belches out pollution on a daily basis. Pollution that causes cancer, asthma, and immune disorders. I would suggest any area where there is largescale manufacturing or heavy metal production or coal burning. Go to Hong Kong and see how it looks, go to Seoul, go to any major city these days. Humans are living like rats in cages and not only are we putting them through that, but we are suffocating them because we refuse to get real on very serious problems.

Your global warming denial is alarming. Why is your country so strange? Half the country thinks man walked with dinosaurs, a sizeable minority do not believe that climate change is real, and many of you are in denial about what your country does around the world. It's weird you know. Sometimes you need to look beyond the bubble to see how strange it looks. It's not just you guys, the Brits just voted the Tories back in again. It's all very strange.

So you're saying pollution is bad? I don't disagree with you. Now I want you to read this very carefully: IF there is Anthropogenic Global Climate Change AND the population of Earth can do something about it then would it not behoove all nations to promise as much as the United States in something like the Paris Accords?


Take the whole "OMG we're all gonna die Climate Change" out of it and just look at it from a standpoint of what nations promised what....The United States promised the Moon, Russia, China, India, other nations aren't doing so much, in fact other nations are pushing forward and doing even more polluting than before unless they are paid to stop. That's fair?


Why is it so strange that I am not losing my fucking my about the Earth is going to die? I think it's pretty fucking self centered to believe that HUMANS should be deciding what is the correct or incorrect Climate of the entire Earth, what is good for humanity might not be so great for wildlife people seem to worry so much about. Also why should I believe people who are saying there's Anthropogenic Climate Change when those very same people (Al Gore, Leo DiCaprio, etc) are jet setting around the world living in mansions, lives of luxury, and what? They buy carbon offsets? That doesn't suck the CO2 back out of the atmosphere! They are preachers and proselytizers of the World Religion miles...think the Catholic Church did bad things? Well buckle up buttercup, this is going to hurt really bad.