Winner of Wilder/Joshua must face...

[ykdadamaja]

... Depending on whether or not Joshua beats Parker, which he will, in this order:

1. Povetkin
2. Ruiz Jr.
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Dillian Whyte
5. Dominic Breazeale
6. David Haye

IF they get through any of those, they may be considered an ATG. GOAT!

Then the Lucas Browne's, Fres Oquendo's, Amir Mansour's and so forth may be in the offing until new talent springs up.

[Master]

I do not think AJ v Wilder will happen this year so these other fights are a long way off.

[Mark TKO]

AJ Wilder next summer at earliest.

That’s the big one that they will build up. Fury Joshua will be bigger if fat boy can get back in shape.....

[Batman]

Why is David Haye on the list?

[Mark TKO]

If he beats Bellew it’s a big money British pay day - and he’ll be dangerous for Joshua for all of 4 minutes after which his toe, knee, bicep, cock or right earlobe will fail on him and he’ll have to throw the towel in

[ykdadamaja]

Until Haye retires he is the ONLY other cash cow aside from AJ. I think Haye can probably make more money than Wilder as Champ. I hate to say it, but people want to see Haye and willing to pay money to see Haye.

With that said: You guys know it only is March/April, right? The Wilder/Joshua fight can happen by mid fall- August to mid-October. Which ain't a bad time for travel either.

[TitoFan]

... Depending on whether or not Joshua beats Parker, which he will, in this order:

1. Povetkin
2. Ruiz Jr.
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Dillian Whyte
5. Dominic Breazeale
6. David Haye

IF they get through any of those, they may be considered an ATG. GOAT!

Then the Lucas Browne's, Fres Oquendo's, Amir Mansour's and so forth may be in the offing until new talent springs up.

The bar on ATG/GOAT must have been set at an all-time low.

[Master]

... Depending on whether or not Joshua beats Parker, which he will, in this order:

1. Povetkin
2. Ruiz Jr.
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Dillian Whyte
5. Dominic Breazeale
6. David Haye

IF they get through any of those, they may be considered an ATG. GOAT!

Then the Lucas Browne's, Fres Oquendo's, Amir Mansour's and so forth may be in the offing until new talent springs up.

The bar on ATG/GOAT must have been set at an all-time low.

Can't think of a time where it has been worse. AJ should clean up and dominate for many years.

Haye is a joke and irrelevant if he can not get past a fat big mouth scouse.

[ykdadamaja]

You guys said the same about the 90's, which happened to be the GOLDEN ERA of boxing outside of the platinum era of Ali/Frazier/Foreman/Lyle.

Remember folks were saying the 90's era of Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, McCall, Morrison, Mercer, Moorer, Briggs and the other contenders, were all shiite?

I highly rate Pedvetkin, Ruiz Jr. and Whyte to at least COMPETE in the 90's and mid-70's era. Pedvetkin and Whyte may even win a title in the 90's era.

Let us not be so sour on today's guys.

And as for Haye, I didn't mean to equate him with being a cash cow in terms of him being someone you need to beat to be an ATG. But money still counts for something in boxing. Money shows where the fans respect their fighters. Haye is a wildcard and people pay money for him.

[TitoFan]

You guys said the same about the 90's, which happened to be the GOLDEN ERA of boxing outside of the platinum era of Ali/Frazier/Foreman/Lyle.

Remember folks were saying the 90's era of Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, McCall, Morrison, Mercer, Moorer, Briggs and the other contenders, were all shiite?

I highly rate Pedvetkin, Ruiz Jr. and Whyte to at least COMPETE in the 90's and mid-70's era. Pedvetkin and Whyte may even win a title in the 90's era.

Let us not be so sour on today's guys.

And as for Haye, I didn't mean to equate him with being a cash cow in terms of him being someone you need to beat to be an ATG. But money still counts for something in boxing. Money shows where the fans respect their fighters. Haye is a wildcard and people pay money for him.

I don't know, yk.

Holyfield, Lewis: Don't recall anyone ever saying they were "shiite."
Bowe: Underachieving as all hell, and not someone I ever liked... but a motivated, in shape Bowe would've swept the floor with any of your highly rated guys from this era.
Mercer, Moorer: As sturdy and durable as they come. Definitely not "shiite."
McCall: Head case, but dangerous. Shouldn't count, but there's definitely enough 90's guys already that he's not needed on the list.
Morrison: Great white hope. Not much else to say.
Briggs: Ok... "shiite."


Your argument is still paper-thin, claiming that whoever won between Wilder and AJ, all they had to do was beat one of those nondescript guys and he'd be an ATG... maybe even GOAT.
Too science fiction for me.

[Primo Carnera]

You guys said the same about the 90's, which happened to be the GOLDEN ERA of boxing outside of the platinum era of Ali/Frazier/Foreman/Lyle.

Remember folks were saying the 90's era of Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, McCall, Morrison, Mercer, Moorer, Briggs and the other contenders, were all shiite?

I highly rate Pedvetkin, Ruiz Jr. and Whyte to at least COMPETE in the 90's and mid-70's era. Pedvetkin and Whyte may even win a title in the 90's era.

Let us not be so sour on today's guys.

And as for Haye, I didn't mean to equate him with being a cash cow in terms of him being someone you need to beat to be an ATG. But money still counts for something in boxing. Money shows where the fans respect their fighters. Haye is a wildcard and people pay money for him.

Povetkin is a very good Boxer, and maybe he would compete in the 90’s and maybe win a title. After all he did in this era. But he’s fucked up his whole legacy and tainted everything he’s ever going to go on to do.
But Whyte! That’s another story. He’s done fuck all. His best performance was a LOSS.his next best performance was when he went life and death with a guy who has NEVER beat a good Boxer! Not one.
He wouldn’t win a title then, and if he wins one now, that’ll show how bad this era is.

[Alpha]

... Depending on whether or not Joshua beats Parker, which he will, in this order:

1. Povetkin
2. Ruiz Jr.
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Dillian Whyte
5. Dominic Breazeale
6. David Haye

IF they get through any of those, they may be considered an ATG. GOAT!

Then the Lucas Browne's, Fres Oquendo's, Amir Mansour's and so forth may be in the offing until new talent springs up.

The bar on ATG/GOAT must have been set at an all-time low.

Can't think of a time where it has been worse. AJ should clean up and dominate for many years.

Haye is a joke and irrelevant if he can not get past a fat big mouth scouse.

Would you favor Parker over current Haye?

... Depending on whether or not Joshua beats Parker, which he will, in this order:

1. Povetkin
2. Ruiz Jr.
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Dillian Whyte
5. Dominic Breazeale
6. David Haye

IF they get through any of those, they may be considered an ATG. GOAT!

Then the Lucas Browne's, Fres Oquendo's, Amir Mansour's and so forth may be in the offing until new talent springs up.

Povetkin is a definite must fight, I'd add Pulev if the guy is still a fighter and Tyson if he gets on a decent roll. The Browne/ Whyte winner. Ruiz, Hughie and Breazeale.

It all really depends on the results of other unmade matchups at this time. If Haye beats Bellew does anyone think a Tyson fight can finally be salvaged?

Ruiz and Hughie were set to fight awhile back, maybe they can get it on in the near future. Parker could still be involved in matches against any of these guys, especially against Browne, Ruiz and Hughie.

I'd really like to see Breazeale/ Miller.

These guys need to make some of these fights to build momentum for the winners.

I'd really like to see WBSS type tournaments between guys rated 11-20 in each division to try and establish decent top contenders.