Fight did big viewing numbers, which is great to hear.
Fight did big viewing numbers, which is great to hear.
Not trolling or making this a right/wrong debate, because I think this is all subjective, just curious as to who you think Crawford beat that is as good as Linares and Walters. To me both of those guys are very tough in their own way. Linares is a hell of a technician in the ring, rangy, good power, great experience...etc., while Walters is a beast. He had a shaky performance right before Loma, so I can see how people would rank him a little lower, but the guy is an animal in the ring and Loma toyed with him and made him quit. Rigo was too small for Loma, but he is a great fighter also. Don’t give Loma as much credit due to the size difference.
I don’t think Linares or Walters merit anything over say Gamboa, postal, or benavidez. Not weighing in on Crawford vs loma, both are right up there for me,just record wise I wouldn’t split them.
If you want to claim Crawford P4P no.1 due to the "eye test" then fine but to try and spin his wins as even on a par with Loma is ridiculous. All this hoopla from beating a no-mark in Benavidez, a man who self-proclaimed "hardcores" were getting confused with his brother in the build up.
Crawford is without doubt a P4P worthy elite, however, the man quite simply is lacking a top drawer dance partner. He has never fought anyone getting close to the HOF.
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I’m not claiming that Crawford has fought an elite opponent, but everyone keeps bringing up Linares for Loma as if he were elite. Linares is a solid fighter but is not a career defining kind of fight IMO. Linares had been stopped many times before and had close fights with decent fighters.
Walters is hard to gauge because he looked good before but took a ton of time off and just looked out of it for the Loma fight. He then hasn’t fought again. Again, not at all a bad win, but just don’t know how much better of a win than Crawford’s win against Postol.
That’s all I was saying.
I wouldn't say Linares got beat by all his "best" opponents, Loma beat him when he was a three weight "world" champion, No. 1 ranked lightweight (The Ring champion), unbeaten for half-a-dozen years and had flirted in-and-out of P4P lists for a decade.
Walter's was regarded the no.1 featherweight (The Ring), unbeaten, had sparkos over former elites and was robbed - with a draw - against a man who was "robbed" against Gamboa.
Postol and Gamboa are good fighters but what makes them better on paper than Rigo, Russell Jr, Martinez, Marriaga or Sosa? Loma has a couple of HOFamers on his record inside a dozen fights.
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I didn’t even imply they were better, just that it’s easy to chalk them up to being as good. Linares truly had lost to the best guys he fought before loma, that’s pretty hard to argue imo.
I’m not about to say that lomanchenko isn’t great or that the guys he fought so soon into his career isn’t, that wasn’t the point.
I still think that Russell jr is Lomas best win. I think it’s a very underrated win
Fenster and I already went through this before. Fenster likes to ignore the fact that Loma lost to the best guy he fought, sure there were circumstances surrounding that fight, weight, low blows, Loma's '2nd' fight etc. But at the end of the day he lost to Salido who was considered the Ring's #1 going into that fight. Linares might get to the HOF but that doesn't mean sh-t these days, Gatti is in there for example. Also Linares was crowned Ring champ in a #1 vs #3 fight. On this forum, the only guy I think that has had Linares anywhere near P4P since his losses was Spicoli. Rigo? He might get into the HOF as well, but he had to move up 2 divisions for that fight, and what was his elite win again? Donaire, who did his best work at 112.
I also view Russell Jr as Loma's best win.
I see no reason that the Postol and Walters wins can't be considered similar. What were Walters' best wins again? Donaire and Vic? Guys who were at their best at Flyweight. Crawford fought Postal at 140 after Postal had defeated the #1 guy in the division at the time Matthysse.
Indongo was a unified beltholder and if your going to give Linares a pass for his losses, at least Indongo was beaten by top guys.
Crawford was arguably the lineal champ at 135 and 140. Has Loma been lineal yet?
None of these guys have elite wins/ records yet, but no one has a more outstanding record than the others really. If you really want to go by record then Usyk is probably at the top.
P4P threads sure get posters animated with their various views and opinions.
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Mmm yeh bud I'm actually with you there as I don't think Crawfords opponent level matches that of Lomas. As much as I like the guy I honestly don't think Crawford has faced anyone on the level of Linares. Now thats not to say that he couldn't handle the full room at 147 and I think he does, save for Spence in a match that to me is immensely close with a very very slight edge to Spence if forced to pick. I can see Crawford being somewhat susceptible to the body attack of Spence but also think that the small defensive lapses Spence has shown..gets stationary, stands tall in spots..can be exploited by a more mobile switch hitting Crawford. Power, inside work edge to Spence and I think thats what it comes down to. A fight Crawford would be well advised to keep his tongue in his mouth and resist the urge to clown.
Why say something that is redundant then say it is redundant. Of course Spence isn’t fighting Crawford. This is why I find it so peculiar people are up in arms I said Crawford isn’t fighting Spence. It’s a fact.
I could understand people being bothered if I said Crawford isn’t going to fight Spence but that’s a completely different statement and had nothing to do with what I was talking about. I was talking about the point of the thread saying Crawford is the best. As I said, easy to say when he isn’t fighting Spence.... when he does the thread will have proof or be refuted.
Edit- just looked back and saw I said when he won’t fight Spence. Poor wording on my part misrepresenting what I meant. This whole circle is actually my fault, my bad
Last edited by Ron Swanson; 10-18-2018 at 08:52 PM.
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