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    Default So compared to past U.S. heavyweights... Wilder's not very popular in the U.S. Why?

    We've thrown this around a bit, along with a few ideas. So exactly why is it you feel Wilder is not as popular in the States as the Mike Tysons, Evander Holyfields, and Muhammad Alis of the past? Is it Wilder himself? If it is... what about Wilder is it that prevents him from being more known/popular? If it's not Wilder himself, is it something else?

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    Default Re: So compared to past U.S. heavyweights... Wilder's not very popular in the U.S. W

    Wilder should be huge, perfect record, good physicality, huge puncher, with a shortage of top US fighters he is their best so should be supported more.

    Bad promotion, management, less interest in boxing, and poor technique could be factors why he is not so big.
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    Default Re: So compared to past U.S. heavyweights... Wilder's not very popular in the U.S. W

    I voted “other” because the answer is that they suffer fools less gladly in the US . The OP Mentioned Ali, Tyson and Holyfield . The answer is there. Wilder is not in their League AND NEVER WILL BE. WHY?

    perfect record - against who? 40 fights and who has he beat?

    good physicality - and? I can’t remember Arnold Schwarzenegger being in the HOF.

    huge puncher - MYTH. watch his knockouts, when does he ever time a punch with very little leverage and just put someone away? Anybody can knock someone else out if they take a run up a throw 10 windmills!

    with a shortage of top US fighters he is their best so should be supported more - the standard is and has been so poor for so long in the US , that the public don’t give a fuck. The yanks only back winners.

    Bad promotion, management - difficult to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

    less interest in boxing, and poor technique could be factors why he is not so big. - addressed above.
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    Default Re: So compared to past U.S. heavyweights... Wilder's not very popular in the U.S. W

    Deontay, like Andre Ward, but from a place faaaaaaar less known for boxing has stayed near his home, fought in places without the big appeal there is in New York, LA, Vegas, hell Florida, or NJ. He's put himself on the map with his performances, but he's not getting the eyes on him because nobody wants to be on a card in the middle of nowhere Alabama instead of fighting in the Garden or Atlantic City or fucking anywhere with a boxing PULSE.


    It's not that he's wild and untested or that he doesn't have charisma, he's just not getting the eyes on him the way other fighters do by going to the hotspots of boxing.


    Also his career has been really long and he's got a shit ton of fighters who aren't very good on his record, however, that is ok because he was so raw coming out of the Olympics and he needed to prepare himself for the pro game which I think he's done wonderfully.



    People make the mistake of looking at Wilder through the lens of say a Mike Tyson or George Foreman, but you need to look at him more like a Michael Grant....Grant got too much too soon and he suffered because of it. Wilder had someone holding the reigns on his career, now whether they held on too long is a question, but he's achieved big things and he hasn't faltered to the point where he's even been in danger of losing so there's that.


    So long story short
    1. Where he chose to fight
    2. Slow and slow and SLLLLLOOOOOOW and steady career development


    Those are why he's not as big time as an Olympic superstar like AJ or a homegrown hero like Fury

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    Default Re: So compared to past U.S. heavyweights... Wilder's not very popular in the U.S. W

    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    I voted “other” because the answer is that they suffer fools less gladly in the US . The OP Mentioned Ali, Tyson and Holyfield . The answer is there. Wilder is not in their League AND NEVER WILL BE. WHY?

    perfect record - against who? 40 fights and who has he beat?

    good physicality - and? I can’t remember Arnold Schwarzenegger being in the HOF.

    huge puncher - MYTH. watch his knockouts, when does he ever time a punch with very little leverage and just put someone away? Anybody can knock someone else out if they take a run up a throw 10 windmills!

    with a shortage of top US fighters he is their best so should be supported more - the standard is and has been so poor for so long in the US , that the public don’t give a fuck. The yanks only back winners.

    Bad promotion, management - difficult to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

    less interest in boxing, and poor technique could be factors why he is not so big. - addressed above.


    You could've just as well checked several of the available boxes. That's all covered.

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    Default Re: So compared to past U.S. heavyweights... Wilder's not very popular in the U.S. W

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    I voted “other” because the answer is that they suffer fools less gladly in the US . The OP Mentioned Ali, Tyson and Holyfield . The answer is there. Wilder is not in their League AND NEVER WILL BE. WHY?

    perfect record - against who? 40 fights and who has he beat?

    good physicality - and? I can’t remember Arnold Schwarzenegger being in the HOF.

    huge puncher - MYTH. watch his knockouts, when does he ever time a punch with very little leverage and just put someone away? Anybody can knock someone else out if they take a run up a throw 10 windmills!

    with a shortage of top US fighters he is their best so should be supported more - the standard is and has been so poor for so long in the US , that the public don’t give a fuck. The yanks only back winners.

    Bad promotion, management - difficult to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

    less interest in boxing, and poor technique could be factors why he is not so big. - addressed above.


    You could've just as well checked several of the available boxes. That's all covered.
    Yes. But the reason I couldn’t is because there wasn’t a box for the main reason , and that is :
    Because he isn’t very good.
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    Default Re: So compared to past U.S. heavyweights... Wilder's not very popular in the U.S. W

    Lmao dude really thinks Wilders punching power is a myth

    Fucking wild bruv

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    Default Re: So compared to past U.S. heavyweights... Wilder's not very popular in the U.S. W

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    We've thrown this around a bit, along with a few ideas. So exactly why is it you feel Wilder is not as popular in the States as the Mike Tysons, Evander Holyfields, and Muhammad Alis of the past? Is it Wilder himself? If it is... what about Wilder is it that prevents him from being more known/popular? If it's not Wilder himself, is it something else?

    Discuss.
    1. Bad, in fact, SHIT BAD marketing. He does not have a good marketing team and does not have good speakers in his camp.

    2. His promoters and management are good at getting him sensible contracts for what it is worth, but they are not like Hearn who says controversial stuff to get people motivated.

    3. American fans have lost the love for the sport altogether- Thanks to cucks and cunts. They want to have touch American football now, so can you imagine these PC cunts and cucks who wants to ruin life for everyone?

    4. He is as dry as paint- The last and only controversial things he said has been that he disssed a legend in Mike Tyson, which got him enemies all over the world as Tyson is still very much loved; and the second thing was that he wants to get a body in the ring, making cunts and cucks and those that know how to pander to the cunts and cucks in the media to say how reprehensible his comments were.

    Compare him to Tyson Fury- Fury has magnetism, he can sell a fight PLUS he can fight and win. Fury went into LEGENDARY STATUS with his media appearances leading up to his Wlad fight.

    Tyson Fury is a good talker and he engages the audience. Wilder... meh... He does not have that.
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    Default Re: So compared to past U.S. heavyweights... Wilder's not very popular in the U.S. W

    Here in the amateurs, despite being protected by the referee, he gets floored. This is why Wilder has been so cautiously matched, and has avoided all the prime decent heavyweights like Breazeale, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte and Miller:


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    Default Re: So compared to past U.S. heavyweights... Wilder's not very popular in the U.S. W

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    Here in the amateurs, despite being protected by the referee, he gets floored. This is why Wilder has been so cautiously matched, and has avoided all the prime decent heavyweights like Breazeale, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte and Miller:

    He fought Bermane Stiverne twice...he could punch pretty damned good. He fought Ortiz who can punch. He fought Arreola who can punch.


    I mean I think his competition COULD be loads better absolutely, but I also think his career could have been fucked up by him getting rushed into such challenges rather than taking his time fighting the right guys and gaining experience. I mean that too could have bit him in the ass had he slept on one of those guys which would have been really easy to do.


    I think as a boxer he's been managed very well. As a commodity he's been handled poorly and marketed poorly.


    Given his experience or lack there of in boxing I think he's achieved a great deal....he was never going to be George Foreman who started boxing then a year later won the gold medal then turned pro went 37-0-0 and clobbered the shit out of the undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.....but he's 40-0-0 and that isn't too shabby.


    We'll see what Wilder is when he is tested vs the current BEST heavyweights, Tyson Fury should at the very least be a big challenge to him, we'll see how he handles it.

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