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    Default Re: Muslim protest LGBT relatiionship lessons in Birmingham school goes nationwide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
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    In my experience it is to cause as much trauma to a child as possible and get benefits.
    What are they SUPPOSED to do?
    It is a long drawn out process, but a process of nurture, guidance, teaching, socialisation, and encouragement of good healthy habits and values. It is to try and encourage good patterns of behavior, but at the same time allow for plenty of self expression and to make mistakes along the way as part of the learning process. I am obviously not someone who would have an issue with a gay child, but I would like that to be a natural journey and I would always be there to help and be understanding. I don't think the school needs to be involved in my private family stuff.
    Teachers are having to wash children's clothes and lend their parents money

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...parents-money/

    Teachers do not have to do those things. The truth is I question if a lot of people are even up to the task of parenting. If you don't want the hassle then do not do it, but many are doing it for the wrong reasons and children do indeed needlessly suffer. All I ever really argue us for people to stop hurting their children. Bad parenting handicaps a child terribly and I think the way we are heading only makes it worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Well....






    Who saw THAT coming?




    I don't care about LGBT, I don't care about other religions, I care about liberty and I care about the rule of law. Laws either mean something or they don't and bad laws erode respect for good laws. It's my own personal belief (and hell maybe I'm alone in it) that there are things that are private and PARENTS should teach their kids because they are instilling values and beliefs in their children. I don't believe being gay is all that horrible of a thing so I'm not going to teach my child that it's horrible and I'll disown them but at the same time I'm not going to make out like being gay is virtuous and the greatest thing ever. I remember when people in the LGBT community said they were "born that way" well then if you're born like that then you don't need to convert anyone with propaganda do you? Wouldn't it be healthier to let nature take it's course and the child find out as they grow what they like and don't like? Parents have a responsibility to raise their children the best they know how that's a responsibility not only to their children but to society as a whole...I don't see the benefit in removing responsibility from adults and placing it on the state/government.


    The mental gymnastics on your side @Fenster are just as impressive so SOME Christians and Muslims can find common ground in not really appreciating LGBTQ propaganda and you dislike that so I guess this makes your side Islamaphobic bigots now then doesn't it?


    I believe religion is best between an individual and their Creator...that said I think we can all (regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation) meet on a metaphorical plane of fundamental values, social norms, and mores and I think if we're better able to do that the more free we will be.


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    Why is that taught at school? What happened to learning useful things like math or science or a new language? No, no, we've GOT to teach children about homosexuality and transgenderism because that's the future of this world.

    My issue is that certain things should be left for parents to teach their children and not the state to indoctrinate them.

    Also it impresses me and makes me laugh that the very folks preaching about intersectionality and all that bullshit are constantly surprised when they butt up against people who don't buy into every single aspect of their Progressive agenda.

    Funny it's Muslims in England who do this and you immediately reference Christians in America.


    Lyle... you beat me to it. IMO the first question isn't whether LGBT is an acceptable lifestyle or not. The first question is why it's being taught to elementary school children. Maybe I'm behind the times... but I thought normal sex education began somewhere around the 7th or 8th grade. Yeah... shouldn't we be teaching kids math, science, grammar, and all those other pesky subjects?

    Thanks Fenster, for bringing the subject to our attention.
    You're welcome Tito.

    Unfortunately not everyone is a responsible parent like your good-self - and I'm sure Lyle will one day prove - who will not pollute kids with their own ignorance, fear and prejudice.

    The parents are the problem not the children, through the kids they're educating the parents. It's worked in other areas of intolerance and bigotry like racism. If you can help the parents shake off their prejudice they'll stop fucking up the kids.


    This classic film clip illustrates it brilliantly.






    But my argument has never been about indoctrinating children one way or another. It's about people with specific agendas pushing themselves on children through the educational system. As I said in another post, when blacks and women were fighting for their respective rights through protests, marches, and the like... you didn't see school curriculums changed to push these narratives. That responsibilities remained with the parents, as they have throughout time. Those broad-minded, mature, loving good parents saw to it that their children recognized the inherent evils of racism and sexism. Those with "ignorance, fear, and prejudice".... unfortunately didn't. So why change the strategy now with gender issues? Let kids be kids, and eventually they'll make up their own minds about things. If they were brought up correctly, they'll come up with their own conclusions and themselves be broad-minded, mature, and loving adults as well as parents themselves. IMO, forcing changes in elementary schools is a dirty, underhanded tactic, aimed at undercutting whatever education the parent chooses to give their children. In the end, it's up to the parent to decide, especially when we're talking about toddlers and very small children.

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    I dunno Tito and just random here but I remember speakers coming to school and specific focus of diversity in some classes. Not sure about anyone else but we were bused right out of our comfy cozy cornbread suburban school routinely and into a school pretty much all black and latino Downtown for that purpose. We weren't happy about it and frankly it felt like a scared straight program ffs to a bus load of little cocooned white kids. They talked about everything from the American Indian movement, Cesar Chavez to the civil rights marches and its leaders. We as dumb little twats had some nicknames for those trips and different people but fortunately we grew up. A lot of am public Schools curriculum depends very much on location I'd imagine and after all its 'Public' school so there's a boatload of indoctrination many parents can find objectionable be it science, religion, saying the pledge, politics or Aids and lifestyle. Yeh when the big 'scare' started with Aids we even had speakers come talk about it. But that was then, and fact is this Country is much differently culturally and societally. I hasten to say we're not as isolated or hate filled as we were but whatever. Some of that..the new acceptance and mass diversity.. I'm cool with, some not so much but reinforcement starts at home as does the selection of learning institutions. School shouldn't be an indoctrination center nor glorified baby sitters but they can't hide kids in bunkers to the reflection of society either. Me I'd home school but that's not always an option as well and that's a whole different kind of sheltering.

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    Having that personal experience of course qualifies you greatly to your particular viewpoint, and that's great. That's diversity of background right there. Still... what's wrong with wanting schools to concentrate on the basic fields of knowledge and leave the rah-rah stuff and moral teachings to the parents of kids? As you go down in age, the question becomes even greater. Kids are basically learning to socialize, FFS. Kids being allowed to simply be kids isn't "cocooning" them or anything of the sort, IMHO. There will be plenty of time for the vicissitudes of adulthood or even "teenagedom". Can't we just let little Johnny and Sally enjoy their precious little childhoods without shoving rainbow flags in their faces? Once again I'll say how glad I am that I'm done with my own child-rearing. Who's to know what the school landscape is going to be 5... 10... 15 years from now. I'm thinking we basically agree, save for maybe a few minor nuances. As with many issues, you've got the whole spectrum of beliefs. From those who preach ignorance and intolerance and poison their own kids' minds with them......... to those who claim everything is fair in the area of child-rearing, and anything schools are coerced to do in the name of inclusivity is fine by them.

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    Jess Phillips (Carlagons fav MP) - you're making muslims look bad.

    Anti-gay protester - you're islamophobic.


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    @Miles - listening to the radio earlier, an English man who's a teacher in South Korea said homosexuality is so frowned upon out there that he would be sacked if his true sexuality was known, he's in a relationship with a man but his employers/colleagues think it's a woman. He said homosexuality isn't accepted in any way whatsoever in South Korea, they act as though gays don't even exist. A fellow foreign teacher had to be moved hundred of miles under a new identity after coming out at his previous school.

    I couldn't help think - no wonder poor Miles married a woman (allegedly ())
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    @Miles - listening to the radio earlier, an English man who's a teacher in South Korea said homosexuality is so frowned upon out there that he would be sacked if his true sexuality was known, he's in a relationship with a man but his employers/colleagues think it's a woman. He said homosexuality isn't accepted in any way whatsoever in South Korea, they act as though gays don't even exist. A fellow foreign teacher had to be moved hundred of miles under a new identity after coming out at his previous school.

    I couldn't help think - no wonder poor Miles married a woman (allegedly ())
    I would be interested in listening to that. I have known a couple of gay teachers over the years and certainly on the social circuit it was no secret. However, your private life is pretty much your private life. A lot of my students don't even realize I am married and it is because I don't advertise it, but if asked I will say I am. In terms of your co-workers, especially foreign co-workers, you would be open about sexuality and I doubt you would get sacked for telling Korean co-workers. At a University no way would it be an issue and with a private academy I think they would just rather you not bring it up in front of kids. It is a conservative culture and kids don't need to be hearing anything about sexuality either straight or gay from a foreign teacher.

    Homosexuality is accepted, but not like in the UK and the older generation won't get it. If you want to go to a gay bar though there are gay bars out there. I knew one gay chap in a pretty small town and he was pretty open about it and couldn't really hide it with his mannerisms. He didn't seem to have too many issues. However, I can see how it might be an issue for some. I can see that. There is a growing gay scene here though and it is becoming far more acceptable with my generation and the generation below.

    On TV there is a chap whose career suffered after coming out, but he is back on regularly now. There was also a popular transexual singer. So, yeah, I think there is some acceptance, but not promoted constantly like in the West. I personally think they are going a bit far targeting kids and think children have to grow on their own terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post

    I knew one gay chap in a pretty small town and he was pretty open about it and couldn't really hide it with his mannerisms. He didn't seem to have too many issues.
    Was it this chap?

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    Jess Phillips (Carlagons fav MP) - you're making muslims look bad.

    Anti-gay protester - you're islamophobic.
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    Lyle, just to be clear, you understand the kids aren't getting a sex education class? They are not showing kids how to bum each other? You get that, right?

    However, what you're saying is - you don't dislike gays but you don't want kids told it's okay to be gay? Or you just don't want schools to tell them it's okay?
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    Lyle, just to be clear, you understand the kids aren't getting a sex education class? They are not showing kids how to bum each other? You get that, right?

    However, what you're saying is - you don't dislike gays but you don't want kids told it's okay to be gay? Or you just don't want schools to tell them it's okay?
    I understand that, yes. I'm celebrating the conflict within identity politics, it's quite a beautiful thing to behold really and who could have ever predicted it?

    Do people tell children of heterosexual 2 parent households "it's ok"? Do people tell kids of interracial relationships "it's ok"? Do people tell kids of single parents "it's ok"? Where does that end and do children actually learn anything from this or does it put the "different people" on full fucking display for the entire class to wonder about just exactly how are they different than "us normal kids"? Children only know the environments they grow up in or are exposed to, now I'm all for exposing children to many different ways of life but it's my job as a parent to dictate the terms of when I believe my child is ready to learn about nontraditional families.

    Over the years I've had plenty of friends who are gay or lesbian (none of them have kids though, I imagine that is like a fraction of a fraction of a percent being gay/lesbian, married, and have kids) hell I went to school with a guy who is now a girl and while I am 100% ok with her(look at me using the correct pronouns and all) choosing that life for herself (because she was an adult when this transition happened) it's something I wonder if that has made her happier or exacerbated her mental health issues. I still believe the whole transgender deal is a mental health issue but that's a different topic for a different day. I just wonder what the point of bringing this stuff up in school is? Would you rather more attention be paid to similarities and differences between individuals OR more attention on their actual schooling/learning?

    I think it's a waste of time and obviously it's upsetting a large contingent of the community so perhaps the educators and government bureaucrats should listen this time....but hey they made this monster it's their fucking problem and I for one LOVE IT.
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    Do you also believe in women who have abortions being executed by the state ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Do you also believe in women who have abortions being executed by the state ?
    I ask because it sounds like a Taliban policy but it is something that Conservative policies in the USA could endorse.

    Same side really. Look at yourself revelling in the outrage much like the Muslim bloke who like you doesn't even have kids in that school.
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    I know you believe there's some big conspiracy to promote gays and destroy your "normal" way of life.

    However, the whole idea of teaching children there's nothing wrong with the gay family is because kids are covering their eyes at the sight of kissing on TV let alone bullying other kids, calling gays sick or heading to the hell fire.

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