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    Default Welterweight division overall all-time best

    I think that today's welterweights are overall the best of all time
    I am refering to the overall level of skill.
    What do you think?
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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    1 Ray Robinson
    2 Ray Leonard
    3 Kid Gavilan
    4 Emile Griffith
    5 Henry Armstrong
    6 Jose Napoles
    7 Felix Trinidad
    8 Oscar De La Hoya
    9 Thomas Hearns
    10 Carmen Bassillo

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    Don't know.. Today is good though, that's for sure. early 80's would possibly be better.. SRL, Duran, hearns... i think that pretty much blows MAyweather Hatton or anyone else out of the water.

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    You've got a point, but i'll certainly watch the Welterweights over the heavies nowadays hands down
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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid
    1 Ray Robinson
    2 Ray Leonard
    3 Kid Gavilan
    4 Emile Griffith
    5 Henry Armstrong
    6 Jose Napoles
    7 Felix Trinidad
    8 Oscar De La Hoya
    9 Thomas Hearns
    10 Carmen Bassillo

    Mentions to: Tommy Ryan, ‘Mysterious’ Billy Smith, ‘The original’ Joe Walcott, Mike Sullivan, Jack Britton, Ted ‘Kid’ Lewis, Mickey Walker, Jackie Fields, Barney Ross, Jim McLarnin, Fritzie Zivic, Red Cochrane, Benny ‘Kid’ Paret, Luis Rodriguez, Carlos Palomino, Pipino Cuevas, Roberto Duran, Don Curry, Marlon Starling, Pernell Whitaker and Shane Mosley
    COOL CLICK! Awesome list!! You sure know your stuff! I've seen most of those guys in action(only been a fan for 2 years) but who is Jose Napoles and Carmen Basillo? Today's WW division is awesome and remember Cotto is joining at the end of the year.

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    77 to 85 IMO was the best era, of arguable boxing's best division; when the likes of Cuevas, Palomino, Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Curry, McCrory and Starling shone

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    Quote Originally Posted by The Game
    but who is Jose Napoles and Carmen Basillo? Today's WW division is awesome and remember Cotto is joining at the end of the year.
    Naoples was a great Cuban born Mexican Welterweight champ of the late 60's and 70's. The champion from 69 to 75, minus a meaningless cut eye defeat (before the no-contest rule, for cuts caused by headbutts), to Billy Backus; a defeat he quickly avenged.

    He beat the best the division had to offer including Curtis Cokes (twice), Emile Griffith and Hedgemon Lewis.

    http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009025

    Carman Bassilo is probably best remembered for the series of fights he had at Middleweight against Ray Robinson. But he was probably at his best as a 147lber. Winning the World Title in 1955 against Tony DeMarco, his reign as Welterweight king was presonified in the excellent trilogy he had with Johnny Saxton, which he won 2/1.


    http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=008997

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid
    Quote Originally Posted by The Game
    but who is Jose Napoles and Carmen Basillo? Today's WW division is awesome and remember Cotto is joining at the end of the year.
    Naoples was a great Cuban born Mexican Welterweight champ of the late 60's and 70's. The champion from 69 to 75, minus a meaningless cut eye defeat (before the no-contest rule, for cuts caused by headbutts), to Billy Backus; a defeat he quickly avenged.

    He beat the best the division had to offer including Curtis Cokes (twice), Emile Griffith and Hedgemon Lewis.

    http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009025

    Carman Bassilo is probably best remembered for the series of fights he had at Middleweight against Ray Robinson. But he was probably at his best as a 147lber. Winning the World Title in 1955 against Tony DeMarco, his reign as Welterweight king was presonified in the excellent trilogy he had with Johnny Saxton, which he won 2/1.


    http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=008997
    I've seen a little of Napoles, a real class operator. The one fight I've seen of Carmen Bassilio he seemed to be in the same mould as Ricky Hatton or Corrales, always on top of his opponent and relentlessly punching nonstop. Seemed very entertaining I'd like to see more of him.

    I always thought John Henry Armstrong was commonly regarded as the best ever welter though.........

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    Actually it was one of his fights with Saxton I've seen, a real tear up, Bassilio just wore him down.

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbo
    I always thought John Henry Armstrong was commonly regarded as the best ever welter though.........
    Ray Robinson was figuratively and literally untouchable as a 147lber. He met everyone that mattered, and as a Welterweight, left the division as undefeated Champion with a 110-1-2 record, his only defeat being to Middleweight Jake LaMotta.

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    Well to compare to the 80's era you would have
    Sugar Ray Leonard vs PBF?
    Ricky Hatton vs Tommy Hearns?( Battle of the hitmen)
    Duran vs Margarito?
    Who you see winning these 3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockey cockney
    Well to compare to the 80's era you would have
    Sugar Ray Leonard vs PBF?
    Ricky Hatton vs Tommy Hearns?( Battle of the hitmen)
    Duran vs Margarito?
    Who you see winning these 3?
    Alot of people won't agree, but PBF beats SRL. One simple fact. Little Floyd is alot better, and more versatile than his dad. Floyd Sr. gave SRL alot of problems when they fought. IMO, little Floyd would do even better, and probably get a win. It would be a great fight, and those two might even split 5 to 5 out of ten fights. I'd say Floyd 6 out
    of ten.

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid
    1 Ray Robinson
    2 Ray Leonard
    3 Kid Gavilan
    4 Emile Griffith
    5 Henry Armstrong
    6 Jose Napoles
    7 Felix Trinidad
    8 Oscar De La Hoya
    9 Thomas Hearns
    10 Carmen Basilio

    Mentions to: Tommy Ryan, ‘Mysterious’ Billy Smith, ‘The original’ Joe Walcott, Mike Sullivan, Jack Britton, Ted ‘Kid’ Lewis, Mickey Walker, Jackie Fields, Barney Ross, Jim McLarnin, Fritzie Zivic, Red Cochrane, Benny ‘Kid’ Paret, Luis Rodriguez, Carlos Palomino, Pipino Cuevas, Roberto Duran, Don Curry, Marlon Starling, Pernell Whitaker and Shane Mosley
    Also worthy of mention are Simon Brown, Mark Breland, Lloyd Honeyghan, Wilfred Benitez, Buddy McGirt. Personally I feel that Brown and Honeyghan were great ones, either inside the top 10 or just below.

    I suppose that Aaron Davis and Meldrick Taylor are worthy of mention too, although Taylor spent most of his career at other weights, and Davis often had trouble making 147 lbs.

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid
    1 Ray Robinson
    2 Ray Leonard
    3 Kid Gavilan
    4 Emile Griffith
    5 Henry Armstrong
    6 Jose Napoles
    7 Felix Trinidad
    8 Oscar De La Hoya
    9 Thomas Hearnsl
    10 Carmen Bassillo

    Mentions to: Tommy Ryan, ‘Mysterious’ Billy Smith, ‘The original’ Joe Walcott, Mike Sullivan, Jack Britton, Ted ‘Kid’ Lewis, Mickey Walker, Jackie Fields, Barney Ross, Jim McLarnin, Fritzie Zivic, Red Cochrane, Benny ‘Kid’ Paret, Luis Rodriguez, Carlos Palomino, Pipino Cuevas, Roberto Duran, Don Curry, Marlon Starling, Pernell Whitaker and Shane Mosley
    no benny loenard?

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    Default Re: Welterweight division overall all-time best

    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid
    1 Ray Robinson
    2 Ray Leonard
    3 Kid Gavilan
    4 Emile Griffith
    5 Henry Armstrong
    6 Jose Napoles
    7 Felix Trinidad
    8 Oscar De La Hoya
    9 Thomas Hearns
    10 Carmen Bassillo

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    Id have to replace Trinidad with Whitaker.
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