Thread: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**

I think that if there were no belts at stake Hopkins would have been supermiddle or light heavy like 2 years ago but thats another story... He stayed there to retain his belts...
But on to my point. Taylors stock has risen signifigantly in my mind after the one sided victory over Tarver... Hokins made him look stupid but as always Hokins style makes everyone look stupid. I'll be honest I dont think he made Taylor look that bad and that says alot for the skill of Taylor. I hated Jermain for beating X and even said X won the first of the exchanges. That being said I, after the Tarver fight, have found a new respect and admiration for the new champ...

Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"

I think that if there were no belts at stake Hopkins would have been supermiddle or light heavy like 2 years ago but thats another story... He stayed there to retain his belts...
But on to my point. Taylors stock has risen signifigantly in my mind after the one sided victory over Tarver... Hokins made him look stupid but as always Hokins style makes everyone look stupid. I'll be honest I dont think he made Taylor look that bad and that says alot for the skill of Taylor. I hated Jermain for beating X and even said X won the first of the exchanges. That being said I, after the Tarver fight, have found a new respect and admiration for the new champ...

This is a 50/50 thing.Why? Cause i thought that he beat taylor in the first fight and i also think he made taylor look like a novice just like tarver the only difference is he threw more punches against tarver.This victory showed me that taylor had more heart than i thought but i still think he was outclassed. Thats what upsets me about the lost cause taylor in no way showed he was better than hop just that he was younger. All the quality in that fight came from hop all the quantity from taylor and i'm the type of fan who will pick quality over quantity any day. I just feel like if you land 5 jabs and i land 3 solid hooks i should win the round,so what you landed more my shots probably meant more. Thats how that fight went and that always bothered me.But regardless of how many hop threw he still beat that kid up.So like i said its 50/50.This is hops time, I will never think taylor is better than what he is until he shows me but i do respect his heart a little more now

Originally Posted by MRMANICK

Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"

I think that if there were no belts at stake Hopkins would have been supermiddle or light heavy like 2 years ago but thats another story... He stayed there to retain his belts...
But on to my point. Taylors stock has risen signifigantly in my mind after the one sided victory over Tarver... Hokins made him look stupid but as always Hokins style makes everyone look stupid. I'll be honest I dont think he made Taylor look that bad and that says alot for the skill of Taylor. I hated Jermain for beating X and even said X won the first of the exchanges. That being said I, after the Tarver fight, have found a new respect and admiration for the new champ...

This is a 50/50 thing.Why? Cause i thought that he beat taylor in the first fight and i also think he made taylor look like a novice just like tarver the only difference is he threw more punches against tarver.This victory showed me that taylor had more heart than i thought but i still think he was outclassed. Thats what upsets me about the lost cause taylor in no way showed he was better than hop just that he was younger. All the quality in that fight came from hop all the quantity from taylor and i'm the type of fan who will pick quality over quantity any day. I just feel like if you land 5 jabs and i land 3 solid hooks i should win the round,so what you landed more my shots probably meant more. Thats how that fight went and that always bothered me.But regardless of how many hop threw he still beat that kid up.So like i said its 50/50.This is hops time, I will never think taylor is better than what he is until he shows me but i do respect his heart a little more now

You misunderstand... I'll never say Taylor is Better then Hopkins cuz thats rediculous. I was stating that his stock rose and I think he's better then we thought... As far as everything else u said, u r correct

Depends on how you view Taylor's wins over Hopkins.

I love Taylor...he's a goody...no shat...but he didn't win the first fight IWO.

Hopkins is the one (IWO) that deserves to be lauded.

Taylor is coming up & he's coming up well...but Hopkins has set the standard for years to come.

I respect Taylor...now that he's back to his old self...but I wish he was out from under Dibella's hold.

Also... POP for a pretty good question.

thanks cc

Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"

thanks cc

Yeah that was a good question.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Depends on how you view Taylor's wins over Hopkins.

I love Taylor...he's a goody...no shat...but he didn't win the first fight IWO.

Hopkins is the one (IWO) that deserves to be lauded.

Taylor is coming up & he's coming up well...but Hopkins has set the standard for years to come.

I respect Taylor...now that he's back to his old self...but I wish he was out from under Dibella's hold.

I agree with everything you just said.Thats why i like you wack.You know your boxing and you love hop and we both know if you like hop then you really do know boxing.

I agree Dibella is a good for nothing snake, was sickening how he attempted to steal the show with all the pre-fight talk to the Hopkins/Taylor fights. Arum, King, Dibella, and John Ruiz all need to be slaughtered ty.

It helps Taylor to a degree but still, he couldn't impose himself onto Hopkins' like he did with everyone else before him. So yeah the victorys do help, since Bernard was such a great fighter and you should expect a fight with the likes of him to be tough. But he has to get back to making people look silly, my fear is that Jermaine will never look dominate against top opposition like Hopkins or Wright. I love watching him but it's a legitimate fear until I see how he handles his 2nd elite fighter. If this is the case, that means yes Taylor can win against top tier fighters, but never look good while fighting them. Still rooting for Taylor, but IMO Winky's gonna hand him the first L

I dont think taylor figured out the hokins puzzel but i think he fought him in the smartest manner possible...  He fought in Hopkins a tentative counter puncher that would have chewed taylor up but taylor fought a smart fight...  After seeing the tarver fight I think with some polishing he could be the guy to beat for years to come...  I dont know if anyone will ever solve the Hopkins puzzel.  Tarver sure couldnt.  He looked like a 2 yr.  old trying to do triganometry with an abacus(spell)....

Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"

I think that if there were no belts at stake Hopkins would have been supermiddle or light heavy like 2 years ago but thats another story... He stayed there to retain his belts...
But on to my point. Taylors stock has risen signifigantly in my mind after the one sided victory over Tarver... Hokins made him look stupid but as always Hokins style makes everyone look stupid. I'll be honest I dont think he made Taylor look that bad and that says alot for the skill of Taylor. I hated Jermain for beating X and even said X won the first of the exchanges. That being said I, after the Tarver fight, have found a new respect and admiration for the new champ...

I think Talyor's stock would have to rise a little.....but as you stated in another post no way is taylor better than B-HOP....real fans know B-HOP bewat him solidly in the first fight......and I think Taylor's stock tops out after this Winky fight...I still think Winky is going to take him out....

Originally Posted by bigragu

Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"

      I think that if there were no belts at stake Hopkins would have been supermiddle or light heavy like 2 years ago but thats another story...  He stayed there to retain his belts... 
     But on to my point.  Taylors stock has risen signifigantly in my mind after the one sided victory over Tarver...  Hokins made him look stupid but as always Hokins style makes everyone look stupid.  I'll be honest I dont think he made Taylor look that bad and that says alot for the skill of Taylor.  I hated Jermain for beating X and even said X won the first of the exchanges.  That being said I, after the Tarver fight, have found a new respect and admiration for the new champ... 

I think Talyor's stock would have to rise a little.....but as you stated in another post no way is taylor better than B-HOP....real fans know B-HOP bewat him solidly in the first fight......and I think Taylor's stock tops out after this Winky fight...I still think Winky is going to take him out....

Im a big winky fan so I hope you're right, Ragu

Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"

Originally Posted by bigragu

Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"

I think that if there were no belts at stake Hopkins would have been supermiddle or light heavy like 2 years ago but thats another story... He stayed there to retain his belts...
But on to my point. Taylors stock has risen signifigantly in my mind after the one sided victory over Tarver... Hokins made him look stupid but as always Hokins style makes everyone look stupid. I'll be honest I dont think he made Taylor look that bad and that says alot for the skill of Taylor. I hated Jermain for beating X and even said X won the first of the exchanges. That being said I, after the Tarver fight, have found a new respect and admiration for the new champ...

I think Talyor's stock would have to rise a little.....but as you stated in another post no way is taylor better than B-HOP....real fans know B-HOP bewat him solidly in the first fight......and I think Taylor's stock tops out after this Winky fight...I still think Winky is going to take him out....

Im a big winky fan so I hope you're right, Ragu

haven't picked wrong in awhile.... ODLH, B-HOP, COTTO..

HM, to me his stock would now decrease in value after hopkins last bout. Most seem to be in agreement hopkins won the first fight, and for the first 4 rounds he hardly worked, hardly threw a decent punch, it was only as the fight went on he started to work a bit more.

Taylor being the young buck i thought would of done allot more to make hopkins work, even if it was just keeping hopkins moving, to tire his legs 'coz at that time allot questioned if hopkins could go 12 rounds working through each minute of every round; he proved now he can but then allot wondered..

Anyhow, the hopkins who came out to beat tarver was on the front foot, coming forward throwing punches, moving from the first bell and didn't stop until the last bell. The Hopkins who beat tarver was a completely different hopkins who just didn't seem to give a crap in the Taylor fights.

So to me hopkins showed what he can still do when he wants to, and i think Taylor got lucky that the hopkins who turned up for taver didn't turn up to his fights.

Originally Posted by Preme

HM, to me his stock would now decrease in value after hopkins last bout. Most seem to be in agreement hopkins won the first fight, and for the first 4 rounds he hardly worked, hardly threw a decent punch, it was only as the fight went on he started to work a bit more.

Taylor being the young buck i thought would of done allot more to make hopkins work, even if it was just keeping hopkins moving, to tire his legs 'coz at that time allot questioned if hopkins could go 12 rounds working through each minute of every round; he proved now he can but then allot wondered..

Anyhow, the hopkins who came out to beat tarver was on the front foot, coming forward throwing punches, moving from the first bell and didn't stop until the last bell. The Hopkins who beat tarver was a completely different hopkins who just didn't seem to give a crap in the Taylor fights.

So to me hopkins showed what he can still do when he wants to, and i think Taylor got lucky that the hopkins who turned up for taver didn't turn up to his fights.

I agree/ Good post

on paper it makes taylor look unstopable,

when you consider the fact that the decisions were shady and hopkins really didnt try to do much in the taylor fights it doesnt mean much