Thread: prime tyson vs prime lewis

people will laugh at me but i think prime bowe would beat tyson

Yes Mercer had a chin and he could box

I'm not saying Coetzer and Morrison or Dokes or Witherspoon or whoever would BEAT Tyson I'm saying it would have been more competitive than oh Marvis Frazier, Michael Spinks, Carl Williams, OLD Larry Holmes...give me a break people talk about how bad Marciano's opposition was it ain't like he had a choice but he still CHALLENGED himself!

Rooney, Cayton, and Jimmy Jacobs really held Tyson back from some worthy opposition, sure hindsight is 20/20 but iif Tysn always fought the best available then why when he came out of prison did he not fight Riddick Bowe? Why didn't he fight Michael Grant when he was seemingly unstoppable? Why didn't he jump right into a fight with Lewis? Why didn't he fight Tommy Morrison when he was doing well? Michael Moorer

He never fought McCall! He never fought Mercer! Both of those guys had GREAT chances at beating him simply because they would last the distance with him

I absolutely agree Bowe would have whipped Tyson's ass

i see bowe recently and was suprised how much skills he had he could fight well on inside had great jab had fast hands for big man and good power and had alot of stamina which is rare for big man and had heart of a lion and had great chin and i think all these factors would beat tyson and ps if anyone thinks bowe hasnt got heart or good chin watch golota fights and holyfield fights

Of course! He's never been KO'd, he's not been down much, he beat Holyfield the worst a Prime Holyfield could be beaten. Bowe during his prime was one of the best fighters I've ever seen

agreed cc

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

lemme see who tyson could of fought
greg page
tim witherspoon
ray mercer
riddick bowe
i cant think at moment mind has gone blank

Bowe and Mercer would not have been much opposition if we are talking about 1986-89

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

lemme see who tyson could of fought
greg page
tim witherspoon
ray mercer
riddick bowe
i cant think at moment mind has gone blank

Bowe and Mercer would not have been much opposition if we are talking about 1986-89

The Tyson revisionists always talk about Tyson's post jail career, which even I as a huge Tyson fan, recognise was a completely different Tyson...

I think most even great boxers dont come back from a 3 year+ layoff the same fighter.....

Of course Bowe beats a post jail Tyson, but he would have fits with a pre jail model Tyson....

Originally Posted by BIG H

Bowe and Mercer would not have been much opposition if we are talking about 1986-89

Mercer would have been fine 89-90

Bowe just started in 1990 so nah not then but in the mid 90's Bowe would have blasted Tyson

Yes it was "different" but how much so? I think we really saw Tyson's downfall after Rooney left but even that was minimal. It all came down to heart and dedication

Originally Posted by Lyle

Originally Posted by BIG H

Bowe and Mercer would not have been much opposition if we are talking about 1986-89

Mercer would have been fine 89-90

Bowe just started in 1990 so nah not then but in the mid 90's Bowe would have blasted Tyson

Yes it was "different" but how much so? I think we really saw Tyson's downfall after Rooney left but even that was minimal. It all came down to heart and dedication

name me a list of 10 great fighters who went into the slammer and came out managing to truly add further greatness to their legacy....Im sure the list would be minimal (unless Britkid emerges from the archives!! )...

HMMMMM...

Ron Lyle, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Jameel McCline, and so on learned to fight after prison. It ain't like Tyson had anything to do other than get in shape in prison dude.

Tyson AT LEAST could have fought Moorer or Morrison after prison...if they were such beatable boxers then he would have had no trouble with them.

Briggs! Grant!....He fought Golota why not other guys that were good but McNeely, Botha, Seldon....he just didn't have the heart. I think he liked prison because it gave him an excuse to not be good when he came back.

Ali had a LONG layoff and he added significantly to his legacy!!!!

My bad :P

In my haste to post something I made an error....I was supposed to say how many great fighters have come back and added to their greatness after a period of over 3 years away in jail....

Very few now, Lyle....

And to say he preferred jail than to stay out as a free man....well, I think that is a churlish statement to make....

You should know better than that!!

Originally Posted by Lyle

HMMMMM...

Ron Lyle, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Jameel McCline, and so on learned to fight after prison. It ain't like Tyson had anything to do other than get in shape in prison dude.

Tyson AT LEAST could have fought Moorer or Morrison after prison...if they were such beatable boxers then he would have had no trouble with them.

Briggs! Grant!....He fought Golota why not other guys that were good but McNeely, Botha, Seldon....he just didn't have the heart. I think he liked prison because it gave him an excuse to not be good when he came back.

Ali had a LONG layoff and he added significantly to his legacy!!!!

I never knew Foreman was in prison...I thought he was in the Job corps?

Originally Posted by Lyle

HMMMMM...

Ron Lyle, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Jameel McCline, and so on learned to fight after prison. It ain't like Tyson had anything to do other than get in shape in prison dude.

Tyson AT LEAST could have fought Moorer or Morrison after prison...if they were such beatable boxers then he would have had no trouble with them.

Briggs! Grant!....He fought Golota why not other guys that were good but McNeely, Botha, Seldon....he just didn't have the heart. I think he liked prison because it gave him an excuse to not be good when he came back.

Ali had a LONG layoff and he added significantly to his legacy!!!!

When did George Foreman go to PRISON? Don't think that ever happened. Also don't make me laugh, Tyson woulda Killed Moorer, Iced him, quickly. Teddy knew better than to have Moorer fight Mike. Bowe would have been Kayod too, woulda been a war, but Tyson probably woulda got him. Mercer would have been tuff as hell with that chin. Morrison would have fought his heart out, but would have been knocked unconscious.

i disagree bowe has better chin than tyson and more stamina i reckon bowe stops tyson late

Foreman took a long layoff, came back and added to his legacy. Yes the job corps he was in there. He did have his troubles with the law though.

Think about it miles you just lost your title, you've been getting robbed by your promoter for ages, you never train anymore, you have been divorced and lost a TON of money....wouldn't you like to "get away" from the situation Hell Tyson even said he liked prison