Thread: Margarito-Mosley in discussions?!

There has been some very quiet behind-the-scenes discussion about a possible HBO PPV fight next year between welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito and former champ Shane Mosley. Margarito would have to successfully defend his title against Joshua Clottey on Dec. 2 for the discussions to continue. Mosley, who twice stopped Fernando Vargas this year, is taking the rest of the year off. It could be a difficult deal to make because Margarito is promoted by Bob Arum's Top Rank and Mosley is with Golden Boy -- rival companies that rarely do business with each other because of the bitter relationship between Arum and Golden Boy chief Oscar De La Hoya. However, HBO is acting as a go-between in the discussions in order to help them along
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2589091

Would you buy this PPV? I dam sure as hell would if I was stateside! Margarito has to beat Clottey,then Mosley,Williams await aaaaaannnnnnd Arum said,that if Margarito AND Cotto win,there could be a unification fight down the line.

This would be a very exciting fight. I gotta go with Shane to decision Tony however.

I think Shane KO's Margarito... Shane would be way to fast for Margarito not to mention Shane's chin has been tested and passed with Flying colors I think he can take the very best of what Tony has to offer Shane is unquesionably one of this generations top 5

Shane Destroys Arum's Boogieman....This is more than a fight, its Oscar sending a message to Top Rank..."There's a new sheriff in town" and GBP is here to dominate..

Originally Posted by JT Rock

I think Shane KO's Margarito... Shane would be way to fast for Margarito not to mention Shane's chin has been tested and passed with Flying colors I think he can take the very best of what Tony has to offer Shane is unquesionably one of this generations top 5

Shane Destroys Arum's Boogieman....This is more than a fight, its Oscar sending a message to Top Rank..."There's a new sheriff in town" and GBP is here to dominate..

I think you make some valid points but I think Margarito will outwork Mosley and although Mosley is faster,and will take the earlier rounds for sure,Tony will take what he has and beat on him towards the end. Mosley has a great chin but it's the sheer volum of what is coming his way,and each punch has bad intentions from Margarito and this will prove to be Shane's undoing.I saw Shane look something like his old self against Vargas and prime Shane beats Margarito badly but I don't think he can maintain the speed,I didn't see as many combos and Margarito is one of the purest pressure fighters out there,I don't think Mosley would be able to take it.
Whatever happens though,itwould be an awesome awesome fight for sure and even if Tony loses,people will recognise him and see he is an exciting fighter and he will make it close. No way does Shane KO him though,I just don't see it.

Originally Posted by El Gamo

There has been some very quiet behind-the-scenes discussion about a possible HBO PPV fight next year between welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito and former champ Shane Mosley. Margarito would have to successfully defend his title against Joshua Clottey on Dec. 2 for the discussions to continue. Mosley, who twice stopped Fernando Vargas this year, is taking the rest of the year off. It could be a difficult deal to make because Margarito is promoted by Bob Arum's Top Rank and Mosley is with Golden Boy -- rival companies that rarely do business with each other because of the bitter relationship between Arum and Golden Boy chief Oscar De La Hoya. However, HBO is acting as a go-between in the discussions in order to help them along
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2589091

Would you buy this PPV? I dam sure as hell would if I was stateside! Margarito has to beat Clottey,then Mosley,Williams await aaaaaannnnnnd Arum said,that if Margarito AND Cotto win,there could be a unification fight down the line.

cc for finally posting something decent about margarito.

if this fight happened, and margarito won then i would give him tons of respect.
i would pay 100.00 for this fight on ppv (but i would attend it if it were in vegas )

i see mosely taking a unanimous decision, and maybe even knocking down margarito a couple times.

Hahahaha,I don't believe it,am I actually getting some credit from you Frozensolid? You responded without attempting to belittle and demean Margarito's opponent!? CC back of course(have you checked your PM's?). I still think Clottey is a dangerous opponent and if Margarito overlooks him,he will be in trouble,Joshua is tough.However,I expect Tony to win and HOPEFULLY,he will either get Mosley OR (if Cotto beats Quintana),Cotto in a unification! Next year is it,if Tony does not get the big fights and keep active,he's screwed!

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Hahahaha,I don't believe it,am I actually getting some credit from you Frozensolid? You responded without attempting to belittle and demean Margarito's opponent!? CC back of course(have you checked your PM's?). I still think Clottey is a dangerous opponent and if Margarito overlooks him,he will be in trouble,Joshua is tough.However,I expect Tony to win and HOPEFULLY,he will either get Mosley OR (if Cotto beats Quintana),Cotto in a unification! Next year is it,if Tony does not get the big fights and keep active,he's screwed!

hell yeah!!

thanks for the link..........
i was just gonna watch college football today, and the fight tonight....... but now i get to watch this at some point today.
i already cc'd you today, so i will begin your hailstorm of ccs tomorrow

as for margarito/clottey, i feel clottey is a good step up from the usual competition that margarito faces, but not the big step up he needs. margarito wins this one

as for cotto........... good for him. quintana is a pretty dangerous opponent and i think that this will be a very competitive fight with cotto eeking out a decision.

and yes, cotto vs. margarito would be a great fight, and i see cotto winning this one as well

Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Hahahaha,I don't believe it,am I actually getting some credit from you Frozensolid? You responded without attempting to belittle and demean Margarito's opponent!? CC back of course(have you checked your PM's?). I still think Clottey is a dangerous opponent and if Margarito overlooks him,he will be in trouble,Joshua is tough.However,I expect Tony to win and HOPEFULLY,he will either get Mosley OR (if Cotto beats Quintana),Cotto in a unification! Next year is it,if Tony does not get the big fights and keep active,he's screwed!

hell yeah!!

thanks for the link..........
i was just gonna watch college football today, and the fight tonight....... but now i get to watch this at some point today.
i already cc'd you today, so i will begin your hailstorm of ccs tomorrow

as for margarito/clottey, i feel clottey is a good step up from the usual competition that margarito faces, but not the big step up he needs. margarito wins this one

as for cotto........... good for him. quintana is a pretty dangerous opponent and i think that this will be a very competitive fight with cotto eeking out a decision.

and yes, cotto vs. margarito would be a great fight, and i see cotto winning this one as well

Wow,I can't believe what I am hearing!! I honestly thought you just hated on Margarito but I see now,you don't.I think you just get touchy when PBF is invloved You have to remember,Margarito has fought more top 10 ww than anyone else in the division! I admit,he needs more names but I certainly believe Clottey is dangerous and a very good name to have. What do you think Toni needs to do to get Floyd in the ring?(Are we really having a peaceful conversation here?!)

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Originally Posted by JT Rock

I think Shane KO's Margarito... Shane would be way to fast for Margarito not to mention Shane's chin has been tested and passed with Flying colors I think he can take the very best of what Tony has to offer Shane is unquesionably one of this generations top 5

Shane Destroys Arum's Boogieman....This is more than a fight, its Oscar sending a message to Top Rank..."There's a new sheriff in town" and GBP is here to dominate..

I think you make some valid points but I think Margarito will outwork Mosley and although Mosley is faster,and will take the earlier rounds for sure,Tony will take what he has and beat on him towards the end. Mosley has a great chin but it's the sheer volum of what is coming his way,and each punch has bad intentions from Margarito and this will prove to be Shane's undoing.I saw Shane look something like his old self against Vargas and prime Shane beats Margarito badly but I don't think he can maintain the speed,I didn't see as many combos and Margarito is one of the purest pressure fighters out there,I don't think Mosley would be able to take it.
Whatever happens though,itwould be an awesome awesome fight for sure and even if Tony loses,people will recognise him and see he is an exciting fighter and he will make it close. No way does Shane KO him though,I just don't see it.

Hate to disagree with you Gamo but Margaritos career so far dosen't warrant such a prediction Shane over his last 10 fights 8 of them have been top flite competition.....Shane is on an entirely different stratosphere than Tony...

2006-07-15 153 Fernando Vargas 154 26-3-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 6 12
~ Time: 2:38 | Referee: Kenny Bayless | Judge: Adalaide Byrd 50-45 | Judge: Dave Moretti 50-45 | Judge: Jerry Roth 50-45 ~

2006-02-25 152 Fernando Vargas 153½ 26-2-0
Mandalay Bay Resort, Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 10 12
~ Time: 1:22 | Referee: Joe Cortez | Judge: Chuck Giampa 86-85 | Judge: Patricia Morse Jarman 85-86 | Judge: Paul Smith 86-85 ~
WBA Light Middleweight Title Eliminator

2005-09-17 148 Jose Luis Cruz 148 31-0-2
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 10 10
~ Referee: Robert Byrd | Judge: Chuck Giampa 96-94 | Judge: C.J. Ross 97-93 | Judge: Duane Ford 98-92 ~

2005-04-23 148 David Estrada 148 18-1-0
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 10 10
~ Referee: Robert Byrd | Judge: Dave Moretti 99-91 | Judge: Chuck Giampa 97-93 | Judge: Richard Houck 98-91 ~

2004-11-20 154 Ronald Wright 154 47-3-0
Mandalay Bay Resort, Las Vegas, NV, USA L MD 12 12
~ Referee: Joe Cortez | Judge: Hubert Earle 114-114 | Judge: Tom Kaczmarek 113-115 | Judge: Duane Ford 113-115 ~
~ WBA Light Middleweight Title ~
~ WBC Light Middleweight Title ~

2004-03-13 154 Ronald Wright 154 46-3-0
Mandalay Bay Resort, Las Vegas, NV, USA L UD 12 12
~ Referee: Tony Weeks | Judge: Chuck Giampa 111-117 | Judge: Dave Moretti 111-117 | Judge: Paul Smith 112-116 ~
~ WBC Light Middleweight Title ~
~ WBA Light Middleweight Title ~
~ IBF Light Middleweight Title ~

2003-09-13 154 Oscar De La Hoya 154 36-2-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Joe Cortez | Judge: Anek Hongtongkam 115-113 | Judge: Duane Ford 115-113 | Judge: Stanley Christodoulou 115-113 ~
~ WBC Light Middleweight Title ~
~ WBA Light Middleweight Title ~
IBA Light Middleweight Title

2003-02-08 154 Raul Marquez 154 34-2-0
Mandalay Bay Resort, Las Vegas, NV, USA NC NC 3 12
~ Time: 2:41 | Referee: Kenny Bayless ~

2002-07-20 147 Vernon Forrest 147 34-0-0
Conseco Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN, USA L UD 12 12
~ Referee: Laurence Cole | Judge: Tony Castellano 111-117 | Judge: Gary Merritt 112-116 | Judge: Jerry Roth 113-115 ~
~ WBC Welterweight Title ~

2002-01-26 146 Vernon Forrest 147 33-0-0
MSG Theatre, New York, NY, USA L UD 12 12
~ Referee: Steve Smoger | Judge: Tom Kaczmarek 110-115 | Judge: Melvina Lathan 108-117 | Judge: Julie Lederman 108-118 ~

lets see if Margarito can beat Clottey and do so convincigly, before I say he stands 1/2 a chance against "Sugar" Shane Mosely.......

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Hahahaha,I don't believe it,am I actually getting some credit from you Frozensolid? You responded without attempting to belittle and demean Margarito's opponent!? CC back of course(have you checked your PM's?). I still think Clottey is a dangerous opponent and if Margarito overlooks him,he will be in trouble,Joshua is tough.However,I expect Tony to win and HOPEFULLY,he will either get Mosley OR (if Cotto beats Quintana),Cotto in a unification! Next year is it,if Tony does not get the big fights and keep active,he's screwed!

hell yeah!!

thanks for the link..........
i was just gonna watch college football today, and the fight tonight....... but now i get to watch this at some point today.
i already cc'd you today, so i will begin your hailstorm of ccs tomorrow

as for margarito/clottey, i feel clottey is a good step up from the usual competition that margarito faces, but not the big step up he needs. margarito wins this one

as for cotto........... good for him. quintana is a pretty dangerous opponent and i think that this will be a very competitive fight with cotto eeking out a decision.

and yes, cotto vs. margarito would be a great fight, and i see cotto winning this one as well

Wow,I can't believe what I am hearing!! I honestly thought you just hated on Margarito but I see now,you don't.I think you just get touchy when PBF is invloved You have to remember,Margarito has fought more top 10 ww than anyone else in the division! I admit,he needs more names but I certainly believe Clottey is dangerous and a very good name to have. What do you think Toni needs to do to get Floyd in the ring?(Are we really having a peaceful conversation here?!)

there are a lot of factors at play for a pbf/margarito match to come off........

#1) if baldomir beats pbf (a long shot) and fights margarito for the championship (assuming he beats cotto) assume for a second that margarito beats baldomir...... then i think that the fight would be a MUST for pbf (cause i doubt oscar would want the pbf fight anymore) .................and if mayweather jumped to 154 without fighting margarito to take on spinks (saying he already was a ww world champ because he had the ibf strap from judah), then all of my arguments on this topic would have been in vain

#2) lets say that the margarito/mosely match does happen, if margarito beats mosely........then its a MUST (this is after pbf gets his 154 championship) because mosely might be the one name out there at 147 (aside from mayweather), that would catapult margarito to the top of 147 UNIVERSALLY (including myself)

#3) lets say pbf/odlh comes off next year and pbf wins and is now 154 lb champ........and stays at 154. margarito would need to clean up on a few big names at ww (judah, cotto, maybe even p. williams if he continues fighting the way he has,) becomes linear ww champ and maybe challenges floyd (linear at 154, by then ) then you have a MEGA FIGHT that would probably rival an odlh fight in marketability

there are many others, but i just threw a couple scenarios out there that if floyd didnt fight margarito, even floyds own children couldnt deny he was ducking margarito

True,true indeed but I would never compare resumes. Styles make fights and what I have seen from Mosley,heck in all of those fights which you have mentioned apart from maybe the De La Hoya fight is a steady decline in work rate,in his combinations etc. Yeah he looked excellent against Vargas but Margarito is no Vargas,Margarito won't just stand there,Margarito will go to the body and Margarito will use jabs.

Also,you point those fights out but he has lost 4 of those and I thought Oscar won that one too. I just don't think he could keep up to the pace with Margarito and Margarito is pure pressure,that's a fact. Margarito has a decent chin to. Like I said,it would be close but I'm very very confident Margarito could damage Shane.

Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Hahahaha,I don't believe it,am I actually getting some credit from you Frozensolid? You responded without attempting to belittle and demean Margarito's opponent!? CC back of course(have you checked your PM's?). I still think Clottey is a dangerous opponent and if Margarito overlooks him,he will be in trouble,Joshua is tough.However,I expect Tony to win and HOPEFULLY,he will either get Mosley OR (if Cotto beats Quintana),Cotto in a unification! Next year is it,if Tony does not get the big fights and keep active,he's screwed!

hell yeah!!

thanks for the link..........
i was just gonna watch college football today, and the fight tonight....... but now i get to watch this at some point today.
i already cc'd you today, so i will begin your hailstorm of ccs tomorrow

as for margarito/clottey, i feel clottey is a good step up from the usual competition that margarito faces, but not the big step up he needs. margarito wins this one

as for cotto........... good for him. quintana is a pretty dangerous opponent and i think that this will be a very competitive fight with cotto eeking out a decision.

and yes, cotto vs. margarito would be a great fight, and i see cotto winning this one as well

Wow,I can't believe what I am hearing!! I honestly thought you just hated on Margarito but I see now,you don't.I think you just get touchy when PBF is invloved You have to remember,Margarito has fought more top 10 ww than anyone else in the division! I admit,he needs more names but I certainly believe Clottey is dangerous and a very good name to have. What do you think Toni needs to do to get Floyd in the ring?(Are we really having a peaceful conversation here?!)

there are a lot of factors at play for a pbf/margarito match to come off........

#1) if baldomir beats pbf (a long shot) and fights margarito for the championship (assuming he beats cotto) assume for a second that margarito beats baldomir...... then i think that the fight would be a MUST for pbf (cause i doubt oscar would want the pbf fight anymore) .................and if mayweather jumped to 154 without fighting margarito to take on spinks (saying he already was a ww world champ because he had the ibf strap from judah), then all of my arguments on this topic would have been in vain

#2) lets say that the margarito/mosely match does happen, if margarito beats mosely........then its a MUST (this is after pbf gets his 154 championship) because mosely might be the one name out there at 147 (aside from mayweather), that would catapult margarito to the top of 147 UNIVERSALLY (including myself)

#3) lets say pbf/odlh comes off next year and pbf wins and is now 154 lb champ........and stays at 154. margarito would need to clean up on a few big names at ww (judah, cotto, maybe even p. williams if he continues fighting the way he has,) becomes linear ww champ and maybe challenges floyd (linear at 154, by then ) then you have a MEGA FIGHT that would probably rival an odlh fight in marketability

there are many others, but i just threw a couple scenarios out there that if floyd didnt fight margarito, even floyds own children couldnt deny he was ducking margarito

I like those scenarios but I also have 1 too,similar to your number 3 with a few El Gamo modifications. Margarito beats 2-3 names,say Mosley,Williams,Cotto/Quintana,Collazo?Maybe has 2 belts. PBF has just beat Oscar at 154,(no way do I think he will stay there though,there's not that much money there for him),so he'll come back to 147 and voila,Margarito,with a very very impressive resume awaits,KTFO Floyd and earns the kudos he deserves..
IF Tony did beat those names I mentioned and PBF had just beaten Oscar(ALOT OF PRSUMPTIONS HERE),and STILL PBF did not fight Tony,I would honestly think he was ducking then. Right not,I understand,he wants Margarito to become a bigger name and he does not want to risk his 0 before the Oscar fight but after that,if what I have written happens,there surely can be no excuses!

Gamo,
I whipped out Shane's resume only for the purpose of pointing out the experience factor....Shane has boxed 48 rounds with 2 Future Hall of Famers and Winky being the 1 of 3 premier defenders of the past 25 years...Forrest was good for a short time before Mayorga damaged him....

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Gamo,
I whipped out Shane's resume only for the purpose of pointing out the experience factor....Shane has boxed 48 rounds with 2 Future Hall of Famers and Winky being the 1 of 3 premier defenders of the past 25 years...Forrest was good for a short time before Mayorga damaged him....

Fair enough but I believe Margarito to have what it takes to handle the highest level,he just has not had the oppertunity yet and Tony has been a pro since he was 16 so he is no slouch himself.

hehe.. You better hope this doesn't happen, The game Your boy's gunna get killed.

Originally Posted by p4pking

hehe.. You better hope this doesn't happen, The game Your boy's gunna get killed.

Hahaha,if that happened,I'd be a dead man!! But I have faith in Margarito(it better not be fooking misplaced!)