Thread: joe louis vs (prime) mike tyson

i say mike tyson by 10 ko, louis was not a stick and move champion, which is the only kind who could beat a prime tyson(other than foreman). i think a prime tyson would run right through louis

A PRIME Tyson on his night, runs right through any heavyweight in history IMO. I really think he was unstoppable.

Originally Posted by cockey cockney

A PRIME Tyson on his night, runs right through any heavyweight in history IMO. I really think he was unstoppable.

im not going start another debate but he was not unstoppable nowhere near it and that showed against james tillis + tony tucker + buster douglas

Originally Posted by undefeated

i say mike tyson by 10 ko, louis was not a stick and move champion, which is the only kind who could beat a prime tyson(other than foreman). i think a prime tyson would run right through louis

true stick and move boxers could beat tyson and guys with granite chins that could take tysons punches and fire back aka holyfield

Would they be using 6oz gloves like Louis used or 10oz gloves like Tyson used?That makes a huge difference.

Tyson would have crushed Louis in 3. Louis was too small; remember the heavyweight of his day was much smaller than in more recent years. Louis didn't have Tyson's speed or his power.

And Tyson was in his prime, but in improper physical condition and lacking the right people in his corner when he lost to Douglas and Holyfield the first time. His fault for not taking them seriously, but had he Douglas would have been crushed and Holyfield would have had more trouble than he did. I still say both fighters should have been fined or whatever for the 2nd. Holyfield and that '3rd punch' of his...

Originally Posted by liquid

Tyson would have crushed Louis in 3.  Louis was too small; remember the heavyweight of his day was much smaller than in more recent years.  Louis didn't have Tyson's speed or his power.

And Tyson was in his prime, but in improper physical condition and lacking the right people in his corner when he lost to Douglas and Holyfield the first time.  His fault for not taking them seriously, but had he Douglas would have been crushed and Holyfield would have had more trouble than he did.  I still say both fighters should have been fined or whatever for the 2nd.  Holyfield and that '3rd punch' of his...

tyson took holyfield seriously he didnt take douglas seriously but douglas was excellent that night anyway even tyson in his peak condition would of struggled against that douglas even in tysons peak condition he struggled against tony tucker and james tillis and why should of both fighters been fined ??

and im not hating tyson i think he is good fighter but overrated

tyson would take louis out very early,he was to small to compete with tyson ,he is not a true HW by todays standards...i couldnt be bothered going into detail about this because it is so stupid!....but tyson would kill little joe louis

Originally Posted by cockey cockney

A PRIME Tyson on his night, runs right through any heavyweight in history IMO. I really think he was unstoppable.

Any top 10 All-Time great heavyweight beats Tyson.

Now I'm not going to dismiss what you said but I just disagree, that is all

Originally Posted by liquid

Tyson would have crushed Louis in 3. Louis was too small; remember the heavyweight of his day was much smaller than in more recent years. Louis didn't have Tyson's speed or his power.

And Tyson was in his prime, but in improper physical condition and lacking the right people in his corner when he lost to Douglas and Holyfield the first time. His fault for not taking them seriously, but had he Douglas would have been crushed and Holyfield would have had more trouble than he did. I still say both fighters should have been fined or whatever for the 2nd. Holyfield and that '3rd punch' of his...

The size difference is kinda irrelevent really. Better diet and nutrition and improved living standards mean people generally are bigger and taller today.

If Joe Louis was born in the late 60's like Tyson he would probably have been slightly larger and if Tyson had been born in the early part of the 20th century like Louis he would likely be a fair bit smaller.

It's a close one to call for me. Tyson looked absolutely awesome against lesser men but he never looked great against a great fighter even once in his entire career.

Louis was a great champion but I feel slightly overrated. I can't imagine Lennox Lewis or George Forman for example having any trouble with Billy Conn and he did get dropped a few times in his career.

I'd go with a prime Tyson knocking him out early but if Louis survived the first 6 he very well may have stopped Tyson.

Would have been a great fight though.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by liquid

Tyson would have crushed Louis in 3. Louis was too small; remember the heavyweight of his day was much smaller than in more recent years. Louis didn't have Tyson's speed or his power.

And Tyson was in his prime, but in improper physical condition and lacking the right people in his corner when he lost to Douglas and Holyfield the first time. His fault for not taking them seriously, but had he Douglas would have been crushed and Holyfield would have had more trouble than he did. I still say both fighters should have been fined or whatever for the 2nd. Holyfield and that '3rd punch' of his...

tyson took holyfield seriously he didnt take douglas seriously but douglas was excellent that night anyway even tyson in his peak condition would of struggled against that douglas even in tysons peak condition he struggled against tony tucker and james tillis and why should of both fighters been fined ??

and im not hating tyson i think he is good fighter but overrated

an 11 count didn't hurt his cause either :P

Tyson was fast, skilled and very powerful. There is no way you can overrate him in his prime. Against the all time greats of the heavyweight division he either beats them or gives them a run for their money. Wether you like him as a person or not you have to respect his former ability.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by cockey cockney

A PRIME Tyson on his night, runs right through any heavyweight in history IMO. I really think he was unstoppable.

im not going start another debate but he was not unstoppable nowhere near it and that showed against james tillis + tony tucker + buster douglas

You haven't mentioned any fighters who have fought Prime Tyson except Tony Tucker... He easily mowed through Tillis, and Tucker was knocked around virtually ever round. The Tyson that fought Holyfield stopped using his head movement, and combination punches, he just came in with one punch and allowed Holyfield to counter him... same with the Tyson that fought Lewis and so on... When he fought Holmes who still had good footwork, and as deadly a jab as ever he easily avoided it, and he countered effectively... I say he beats Louis in 6 or less.

Originally Posted by Punisher136

Tyson was fast, skilled and very powerful. There is no way you can overrate him in his prime. Against the all time greats of the heavyweight division he either beats them or gives them a run for their money. Wether you like him as a person or not you have to respect his former ability.

Tyson was all of the things you said, ...but!..he was alot of things you didn't mention, like when he faced a challange he failed every time. Once he become discouraged during a fight that he could not dictate he simply stopped fighting and just took a beating. Louis on the other hand, came back from knockdowns to crush opponents, watch his first fight with Jersey Joe Walcott who was a master boxer and who was beating the hell outta Louis who was just a shell of himself. Louis catches Walcott with a 6-7 punch combo at age 36 and the fight is over just that quick. Louis threw combinations of 7-8 punches that traveled 6"inches that put men in comas, he was just in another level when it came to punching power. I've seen films of all the great punchers Dempsey, Baer, Marciano, Liston, Frazier and Foreman. Louis was the only one that when he hit a man, they would lie twitching on the canvas, their bodies or their feet, not to mention the huge cuts and lumps on their faces in fights that only lasted 4-5 rds. Why do you think Ring Magazine named Louis the best puncher pound for pound in the last 75 years. I think a PRIME Joe Louis crushes a PRIME Mike Tyson....NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

Guys, Louis was not that much smaller than Mike, if smaller at all. Tyson only weighed bout 208-212 at his best. Louis weighed a touch over 200 I believe. NOT that big of differnce. And Louis was a better boxer. However, he was Kayoed by Max Schemling. And he never faced an animal quite like Mike Tyson. So I would have to pick a prime Tyson, bobbing and weaving in and throwing deadly combos to Knock out Louis within the first 4 rounds. But Louis could out box Mike, and possibly stop him in the later rounds. Certainly Louis had the greater heart of the two, and boxing ability.