Thread: Legends...Lets hear it..

Who of our era makes hall of fame..

There are many i believe are in already..Many will disagree with me..
But there are so many fighters that are always on the borderline.. or perhaps just let it slip While on top and have probably missed the cut.. Here's a few i think...

In

Oscar de la hoya
Felix trinidad
Bernard Hopkins
Roy jones jr
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Manny pac
james toney

Theres so many more but when they are in..They are in. we all know the living legends who deserve it like the ones mentioned above.

Borderline

Feel free to disagree but i feel depending on how they either finish theyr careers and/or what they do who they fight these are the ones that need to make theyr mark and drop themselves in the definate list.

Jose louis castillo.. Already a great fighter, Many great fights..But the possibilities for future big bouts are still there and im sure he'll impress..Always out to fight the best..

Ricky Hatton.. We all know he's good.. But still young and still needs those defining fights.

Floyd mayweather...In all logic..He should already be there..I dont know why but there is always a feel about floyd that we should expect more and more and more from him..Maybe its the way he talks about himself or whatever..But a truely great fighter who has stacks of big names on his record and is likely to have more..But he does lack the defining fight..This may well be it in may..
But who knows if he'll ever get the credit he truely deserves.

Arturo Gatti...Some find it laughable that gatti should be considered a legend..I find it totally realistic that a man that has put his blood sweat and tears into the boxing world and helped shape the boxing world for years to come..Set the standard for entertaining fights for the next generations of fighters.
I feel that too many people are too hasty to put down a man who fights first and foremost for love of the sport and they dont appreciate that people get beat..Ive never expected a fighter to be undefeated to earn my respect..Too many people want to follow the young guys that are good looking and have spotless records that have been spoonfed perfect opponents..But arturo truely wanted to fight em all win or loose to make his legacy what it is today..
The thing that makes him borderline to me though is..His defining fights for recognition was micky ward trilogy..But.. Micky was never truely on the very top tier..Both were big hearted tough fighters..
and arturo fought some of the best..But never really had a defining fight with a Big big name as a winner..

Ive typed myself out for the moment and tried to keep it short and sweet so i can let you all gimme your opinions and add your opinions on how your favourite fighters fare in the battle to become a hall of fame fighter..And I look forward to reading your responses.
Peace all.

Bodyhead.

i aint overlly keen on PBF but he should be in especially if morales is also hatton maybe but im probly being slightly bias so ill skip tht er other than them i think wlad may deserve to be in there his fought good fighters this year and not just beat them but destroyed them

Mayweather will make it.
Gatti will too, not because he was world-class but because he'll go down as one of the most exciting ever.

I don't consider Castillo a HOFer at this point. Hatton needs several more notable wins as well.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Mayweather will make it.
Gatti will too, not because he was world-class but because he'll go down as one of the most exciting ever.

I don't consider Castillo a HOFer at this point. Hatton needs several more notable wins as well.

i think alot of todays fighters wont be truely appreciated until they have one..

Bhop for example...People never really spoke so highly of him or really missed him bieng about until either the jt fights or tarver fight n when he left.. same with tito.. fighters like vitali and lennox have became half way legendary since they left the hw divison in this state.
peace

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Mayweather will make it.
Gatti will too, not because he was world-class but because he'll go down as one of the most exciting ever.

I don't consider Castillo a HOFer at this point. Hatton needs several more notable wins as well.

Personally i would say Castillo is much much better boxer then Gatti ever was.

Originally Posted by cockey cockney

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Mayweather will make it.
Gatti will too, not because he was world-class but because he'll go down as one of the most exciting ever.

I don't consider Castillo a HOFer at this point. Hatton needs several more notable wins as well.

Personally i would say Castillo is much much better boxer then Gatti ever was.

Oh yeh he certaintly is and was hands down..But thats the straange beauty of the topic..
Its all about definitionand publicity of thyr careers and such..
Plus boxing isnt as popular today as in the ninetees...so alot of fighters that made theyr names then are safer then the ones who have yet to do so
Peace

Originally Posted by cockey cockney

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Mayweather will make it.
Gatti will too, not because he was world-class but because he'll go down as one of the most exciting ever.

I don't consider Castillo a HOFer at this point. Hatton needs several more notable wins as well.

Personally i would say Castillo is much much better boxer then Gatti ever was.

I agree. Like I said, Gatti's not a great boxer, but he'll get in because he has been in so many memorable HBO fights.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by cockey cockney

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Mayweather will make it.
Gatti will too, not because he was world-class but because he'll go down as one of the most exciting ever.

I don't consider Castillo a HOFer at this point. Hatton needs several more notable wins as well.

Personally i would say Castillo is much much better boxer then Gatti ever was.

I agree. Like I said, Gatti's not a great boxer, but he'll get in because he has been in so many memorable HBO fights.

CC...On the post....That is a common mistake many people make about the HOF...I see guys argue all the time about how so and so will not go into the HOF because he was not that good of a fighter...Truth is the HOF is not about who is the best or was the best...Of course gys who have titles i n several divisions or remained champion for years are almost always a shoe in to be inducted...But it is really about what a fighter has contributed to the sport.....a guy can be 0-100 but be worthy...More worthy than even many champions...it is about what he contributed to the sport not always what he accomplished...EG...

Lets say fighter X who is 0-100 has fought 20 world champions. He always gave them a good fight. fights that people remember. Fighter X though always lost was also a gentleman in and out of the ring. He always represented what a fighter should be....Fighter X would be a shoe in for the hall.....Are they more likely to make it if they held a title of course...But it is not about skill it is about what you have broughtto the sport over the years as a whole.....Not trying to sound like a know it all but it just seems a lot of people think only P4P guys get in

ODLH
Holyfield
RJJ
Lennox

Good list TITO_BHB

BUT remove Toney's name and replace it with.........



Valuev

Originally Posted by landmine950

Good list TITO_BHB

BUT remove Toney's name and replace it with.........



Valuev

At first I thought that this was amusing & that you were joking...but this is going waaaaaaaay overboard.

I like Valuev...but he's a very limited fighter that needs to improve.

Very very much like Sam Peter...he's fun to watch...but there are many many things that keep him from being a well rounded fighter & he sure as shit aint HOF worthy.

Toney on the other hand is.

I know..I just said it because TITO_HBH wants to be Toney's man whore.
couldn't help myself.

But hey! in the future!! who knows!!!

(Is Primo Carnerra in the HOF?.........................
.................................................. .................................................. .................i guess thats a no....)

Gotta go with Gatti for the Hall....i mean let's look at some of the guys already in there...Charley Burley back in the 40's...toiled away for years as a welterweight/middleweight - NEVER had a title fight; tough, gritty Joey Giardello in the 50's; memorable trilogy of fights with Billy Graham - only one successful title defense. And how about Bobby Chacon? Huge west coast drawing card during his day- exciting fighter; but was stripped of his title after backing out of fight with Hector Camacho on Macho's home turf. Can anybody imagine Gatti pulling something like that? Arturo has been THE most exciting boxer in the sport for 10 years - undefeated in 20 fights since 1998 until he met Baldomir. Defended IBF title 130 lb title three times - these are highlight film finishes. The Ward trilogy, the knockouts of bigger Dorin and Leija....WBC 140lb title, IBA welterweight title. The man who defined "blood and guts warrior".

Originally Posted by Thunderman

Gotta go with Gatti for the Hall....i mean let's look at some of the guys already in there...Charley Burley back in the 40's...toiled away for years as a welterweight/middleweight - NEVER had a title fight; tough, gritty Joey Giardello in the 50's; memorable trilogy of fights with Billy Graham - only one successful title defense. And how about Bobby Chacon? Huge west coast drawing card during his day- exciting fighter; but was stripped of his title after backing out of fight with Hector Camacho on Macho's home turf. Can anybody imagine Gatti pulling something like that? Arturo has been THE most exciting boxer in the sport for 10 years - undefeated in 20 fights since 1998 until he met Baldomir. Defended IBF title 130 lb title three times - these are highlight film finishes. The Ward trilogy, the knockouts of bigger Dorin and Leija....WBC 140lb title, IBA welterweight title. The man who defined "blood and guts warrior".

Hey if it were up to me he'd already be in

You know what though i really wish arturo had boxed more in his prime at some points..
I loved his wars ..But i loved to watch him box just as much.. Ive been astonished at times seeing how well arturo boxes... I remember the munoz fight that was his comeback fight and intro to 140..
I know munoz was not the same class as gatti..But he looked so impressive..
And yeh the jjl fight was one of my favourite gatti fights..He boxed very nicely in that fight..
Peace

This years class is Pernell Whitaker , Roberto Duran & Ricardo Lopez.

Do any of you attend the HOF weekend in June? Its a blast.