Thread: WLadimir Klitschko VS Nicolay Valuev

I just wanted to hear some reasons why someone would think Valuev has a chance against Wladimir?I just don't see it.

The only advantages Valuev has is his size and Wlads Mentality.

Valuev's physical advantages means that Wlad couldn't supress Valuevs avdances/ attacks with his own body weight, which he likes to do quite a bit.

Plus Valuev likes to club and advance so Wlad may find himself on the back foot for as long as the fight may last.

That being said, unless Wlad fights as a scared and tentative fighter, he should be able to read Valuevs shots and with his (IMO) superior hand speed AND power, should be able to at least keep Valuev at bay.

Ive seen Valuev wobbled by far lesser opponent so i wouldn't be suprised if he was stopped.

Originally Posted by Jimboogie

The only advantages Valuev has is his size and Wlads Mentality.

Valuev's physical advantages means that Wlad couldn't supress Valuevs avdances/ attacks with his own body weight, which he likes to do quite a bit.

Plus Valuev likes to club and advance so Wlad may find himself on the back foot for as long as the fight may last.

That being said, unless Wlad fights as a scared and tentative fighter, he should be able to read Valuevs shots and with his (IMO) superior hand speed AND power, should be able to at least keep Valuev at bay.

Ive seen Valuev wobbled by far lesser opponent so i wouldn't be suprised if he was stopped.

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wlad is more skilled fight and like jimboogie said his only real advantage is his size all i know is when he tastes wlad right hand he will be in for a shock

valuev gets Ko'd in the 2nd round, with out a doubt....
i cannot wait for the day i see that Enormous body hit the canvas, i bet the ring cracks and falls apart.

Wlad by KO....Valuev gets hit and HURT easily and Wlad will be the hardest puncher Nicolay has ever fought as well as the BEST BOXER.

SIMPLE, EASY, KO WIN!

What will you staunch Klitschko supporters say if and when he loses to Valuev? Klit has showed himself to be vulnerable to lesser opponents and as much as you guys wanna sweep those piss poor showings under the rug and forget about them, THEY HAPPENED!!!! Anyone can say Manny did this or Manny did that for Wlad and well I agree he can polish anyfighter technically but theres the whole Stamina issue and self confidence thing and his chin, say what you want about Wlad being gassed and thats why he's been KO'D but Peter Dropped him 3x (legally or not) and Toney got hit with the same punches and after 24rounds he caught a flash knock down from a jab with his feet tangled. Yes James Toney the one haters refer to as JFAT and break his stones about being a Lazy Supermiddle who moved to Heavy because he prefered the dinner table over roadwork.Guess what the Blown up Toney has a better Chin and composure than Wlad....

I think this is a real bad matchup for Wlad because of his size... Wlad is a tall heavy by normal standards and enjoys those advantages along with holding and leaning on his opponents . But he is not athletic enough or small enough to bob and weave and duck out of the way of Valuevs punches... The reach height and weight difference will still be dramatic in Valuevs favor and again Nic will be doing all the leaning on Wlad and well carrying your own weight at about 240 coupled with a over 300lb man adds more suseptiblity to a person who already has a history of stamina is alarming IMO

This is far from a walk in the park for Klitschko, especially seeing Wlad will be the most stationary and broad target Valuev has ever faced...I would personally be a little concerned if I was a Klitschko fan

Originally Posted by JT Rock

What will you staunch Klitschko supporters say if and when he loses to Valuev? Klit has showed himself to be vulnerable to lesser opponents and as much as you guys wanna sweep those piss poor showings under the rug and forget about them, THEY HAPPENED!!!! Anyone can say Manny did this or Manny did that for Wlad and well I agree he can polish anyfighter technically but theres the whole Stamina issue and self confidence thing and his chin, say what you want about Wlad being gassed and thats why he's been KO'D but Peter Dropped him 3x (legally or not) and Toney got hit with the same punches and after 24rounds he caught a flash knock down from a jab with his feet tangled. Yes James Toney the one haters refer to as JFAT and break his stones about being a Lazy Supermiddle who moved to Heavy because he prefered the dinner table over roadwork.Guess what the Blown up Toney has a better Chin and composure than Wlad....

I think this is a real bad matchup for Wlad because of his size... Wlad is a tall heavy by normal standards and enjoys those advantages along with holding and leaning on his opponents . But he is not athletic enough or small enough to bob and weave and duck out of the way of Valuevs punches... The reach height and weight difference will still be dramatic in Valuevs favor and again Nic will be doing all the leaning on Wlad and well carrying your own weight at about 240 coupled with a over 300lb man adds more suseptiblity to a person who already has a history of stamina is alarming IMO

This is far from a walk in the park for Klitschko, especially seeing Wlad will be the most stationary and broad target Valuev has ever faced...I would personally be a little concerned if I was a Klitschko fan

Good points.

The only point that I don't agree with is high lighted...nothing about Wlad screams stationary.

Nothing.

Peter was on the attack the entire time of the Klit fight & was there to make a statement via knockout. Wlad was there to make the same statement...but more to prove that he wasn't going to be knocked out.

Wlad should pretty much dismantle Valuev. He'll be the largest opponent that Valuev has ever seen & the heaviest handed one.

Wlad by TKO.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by JT Rock

What will you staunch Klitschko supporters say if and when he loses to Valuev? Klit has showed himself to be vulnerable to lesser opponents and as much as you guys wanna sweep those piss poor showings under the rug and forget about them, THEY HAPPENED!!!! Anyone can say Manny did this or Manny did that for Wlad and well I agree he can polish anyfighter technically but theres the whole Stamina issue and self confidence thing and his chin, say what you want about Wlad being gassed and thats why he's been KO'D but Peter Dropped him 3x (legally or not) and Toney got hit with the same punches and after 24rounds he caught a flash knock down from a jab with his feet tangled. Yes James Toney the one haters refer to as JFAT and break his stones about being a Lazy Supermiddle who moved to Heavy because he prefered the dinner table over roadwork.Guess what the Blown up Toney has a better Chin and composure than Wlad....

I think this is a real bad matchup for Wlad because of his size... Wlad is a tall heavy by normal standards and enjoys those advantages along with holding and leaning on his opponents . But he is not athletic enough or small enough to bob and weave and duck out of the way of Valuevs punches... The reach height and weight difference will still be dramatic in Valuevs favor and again Nic will be doing all the leaning on Wlad and well carrying your own weight at about 240 coupled with a over 300lb man adds more suseptiblity to a person who already has a history of stamina is alarming IMO

This is far from a walk in the park for Klitschko, especially seeing Wlad will be the most stationary and broad target Valuev has ever faced...I would personally be a little concerned if I was a Klitschko fan

Good points.

The only point that I don't agree with is high lighted...nothing about Wlad screams stationary.

Nothing.

Peter was on the attack the entire time of the Klit fight & was there to make a statement via knockout. Wlad was there to make the same statement...but more to prove that he wasn't going to be knocked out.

Wlad should pretty much dismantle Valuev. He'll be the largest opponent that Valuev has ever seen & the heaviest handed one.

Wlad by TKO.

Thanks and a in return, fair enough Wlad moves good for his size, but then again Old St. Nic aint to shabby either for moving shaking and handspeed for a Goliath.. I think Nic will shine win lose or draw..

But again I ask what Happens to Wlad if he gets sparked by the Behemoth?? Do we say Wlad was always a timebomb ticking and was always one good shot away from crumbling or do you say Valuev is the real deal?? I want some Klitschko fans to answer that if they have given it anythought since Wlads track record lends that outcome a better than average chance of history repeating itself...

To compliment what i was saying earlier.. A Wlad, that is truely ready for a fight with Valuev should be sharp and brave enough to comand the fight and really put the hurt on the Giant.

If not, if what we get is an awkward bag of wind fighting on nerves, Wlad will be like the proverbial fish out of water.

Ever seen a man drown on dry land?

Wvlad wins this pretty much hands down . The only way I see Valuev having a chance is if Wvlad gasses out again and caves in mentally against a bigger man . Pretty unlikely set of events sepecialy given Valuevs pace and ability . Klitschko should be able to keep him on the end of a stiff jab and pick his shots . He can probably knock him out but may adopt safety first tactics and chip away for 12 1 sided rounds .

if valuev can take a punch he'll win couse wlad has that punk poser loser many in his corner if anything wlad will go in less with that Q**** in his corner i gotta go but feel free to e-mail me about this or anything else i'v talked about in this forum at kyle_kenoh@yahoo.com boxing trust me i know more about this than you do the sooner u understand that the sooner we can move on and please if u e-mail me with hate at least try make a point o-yeah for those of you just want to know more about boxing just ask trust me i know more about it then anybody else on this forum

Originally Posted by JT Rock

But again I ask what Happens to Wlad if he gets sparked by the Behemoth?? Do we say Wlad was always a timebomb ticking and was always one good shot away from crumbling or do you say Valuev is the real deal?? I want some Klitschko fans to answer that if they have given it anythought since Wlads track record lends that outcome a better than average chance of history repeating itself...

Let me put it to you like this...& this is from my point of view:

Valuev has improved leaps & bounds from what he was just 10 or 15 fights ago. Really...he has. His detractor's refuse to acknowledge it...but the signs are there.

If he were to hammer Wlad out or win a decision...you would never hear the end of how shitty Wlad was, how fixed the fight was, or whatever...anything & everything but respect would go out to Valuev.

I like the guy. He brings a lot of interest back to the sport...win, lose, or draw. That being said...I aint sold on him.

If he were to beat Maskaev, Peter, or Wlad...then I'd have to cash in me chips...I'd be sold.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by JT Rock

But again I ask what Happens to Wlad if he gets sparked by the Behemoth?? Do we say Wlad was always a timebomb ticking and was always one good shot away from crumbling or do you say Valuev is the real deal?? I want some Klitschko fans to answer that if they have given it anythought since Wlads track record lends that outcome a better than average chance of history repeating itself...

Let me put it to you like this...& this is from my point of view:

Valuev has improved leaps & bounds from what he was just 10 or 15 fights ago. Really...he has. His detractor's refuse to acknowledge it...but the signs are there.

If he were to hammer Wlad out or win a decision...you would never hear the end of how shitty Wlad was, how fixed the fight was, or whatever...anything & everything but respect would go out to Valuev.

I like the guy. He brings a lot of interest back to the sport...win, lose, or draw. That being said...I aint sold on him.

If he were to beat Maskaev, Peter, or Wlad...then I'd have to cash in me chips...I'd be sold.

I owe you a in 24 cause of that whole Karma deal ... We do agree on that I can tell you that much, I think its the same ol story once you have made up your mind to dislike or hate a certain fighter THATS IT!!! even at the expense of belittling and discrediting one of your favorite fighters peformance just to spite the other fighter you dont like...

I think Big Nik is good for the sport for the reasons you mentioned..... I would like to see him step up in comp soon I think he has improved and anyone who thinks he is a big hairy punching bag with a good promoter, is sadly mistaken.. Niks got all the potential to rule that division.... We'll see how he does against McCline this weekend, he could get sparked and this convo will be irrelevant