Thread: Mosley to Help De La Hoya Training

Initially I thought that Mayweather was going to beat De La Hoya mainly helped by his youth, speed and skills. However, it looks like Mosley will be traveling to Puerto Rico where De La Hoya is training to help him for this fight. This is making me change my mind on De La Hoya's opportunities against Floyd. I think that training with Mosley will make De La Hoya increase his potential (at his current age) and will increase his chances of winning. Not many boxers have the opportunity of training with partners of Mosley quality. And, other variable is that this is the first fight of Floyd at 154 and De La Hoya seems to be willing to stop and exchange punches looking for a KO. I really think this will make the fight more competitive and interesting, and I'm waiting to see what happens.

De La Hoya mentioned to the local newspapers in Puerto Rico that his is very motivated with this fight, and Floyds attitude. Actually, De La Hoya is indicating that he is planning to continue fighting instead of retiring as he had said before. He mentioned his desire to fight in Mexico and/or England.

Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

Good to see you here my friend. I know that comment you made was not making you a happy man, but we can also discuss down here in Puerto Rico with a "Medalla" beer. The beer will make both of us happy.

Training with Mosley is the last item that made me change my mind and start thinking that De La Hoya has the best chances of winning.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

Agreed...kind of.

As I already stated...I'm picking Floyd to outwork Oscar down the stretch but only on the grounds that he can withstand Oscar's flurry bursts that he busts out generally right in the middle of every round.

Now...as I also already stated...I'll go back & forth on this answer...basically because I am a fan of both Oscar & Floyd & I have also stated that this is the most ignorant fight that Floyd could have taken at this weight.

It's stupid.

Sorry folks...it is...for more on me original opinion...go here: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...-t40811.0.html

The link is there just as a self reminder...what can I say? I wanna keep up with how many times I flip flop on this one.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

That is key. Mayweather hasnt beaten an elite fighter since he fought at lightweight (I guess you could argue that Baldomir and Judah are "elite" but i dont think either is an A+ fighter, Oscar is). Now, he takes a fight at 154 against a slightly past his prime legend. The one thing that ive noticed in his fights at Welterweight is that his speed is not what it was at Lightweight.Thats expected. But now hes at light middleweight where he has never fought. Floyd would beat Oscar at welterweight, but im not so sure about 154.
Oscars main disadvantage is inactivity, and the possibility that he might get old overnight which imo couldhappen

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch

Good to see you here my friend. I know that comment you made was not making you a happy man, but we can also discuss down here in Puerto Rico with a "Medalla" beer. The beer will make both of us happy.

Training with Mosley is the last item that made me change my mind and start thinking that De La Hoya has the best chances of winning.

Sounds like a good boxing discussion already. Got to see you on the forum today, PRP. And yeah......... I'm not exactly happy about the prospects of DLH beating Floyd and adding to his carefully constructed legacy, but if I were to put money down..... right now I'd bet on Oscar.

(sigh)

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

1. Oscar has 5 more pro fights than Floyd. That might be an advantage if one guy has 6 pro fights and the other has 1, but when it's 42 and 37, it's zero advantage.

2. This is the only advantage Oscar carries into this fight, and like every other fighter Floyd moved up to face, it won't mean a thing after the fight's over.

3. Sorry to break this to you, but no 'boxer' is 'tailor made' for Oscar. The only fighters who've truly beaten him or given him the scares of his career have been boxers. If you could ask Oscar the one style he would not want to face, it would be that of a good athletic boxer.

4. This ain't Rocky III. Having a pro train you for 8 weeks doesn't give you their skills.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
(I guess you've never heard of Bernard Hopkins.)

Originally Posted by Samson3000

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

1. Oscar has 5 more pro fights than Floyd. That might be an advantage if one guy has 6 pro fights and the other has 1, but when it's 42 and 37, it's zero advantage.

2. This is the only advantage Oscar carries into this fight, and like every other fighter Floyd moved up to face, it won't mean a thing after the fight's over.

3. Sorry to break this to you, but no 'boxer' is 'tailor made' for Oscar. The only fighters who've truly beaten him or given him the scares of his career have been boxers. If you could ask Oscar the one style he would not want to face, it would be that of a good athletic boxer.

4. This ain't Rocky III. Having a pro train you for 8 weeks doesn't give you their skills.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
(I guess you've never heard of Bernard Hopkins.)

1. Boxing experience is not always strictly a number of how many fights you have. It's a little more complicated than that. JCC Jr. has more pro fights than Miguel Cotto. Does that make him more experienced? It's the nature of the fights and what you've learned from them.

2. I'm glad you agree.

3. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Oscar's not gonna risk getting knocked on his a$$ by a good puncher. And please don't mention the Tito-damaged Mayorga. Oscar knew exactly when to take this guy on. If Floyd, on top of being the boxer he is, could punch worth a damn at 154, there would BE no fight.

4. Again, I guess we'll just have to disagree. Oscar doesn't need Mosley to "give him his skills." I'd like to think he's got skills of his own. A little fine-tuning? Yes. Unless of course you feel there's no value in that, either.

And yes..... I've heard of Bernard Hopkins. But tell me. What the hell does that have to do with what I stated?

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Samson3000

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

1. Oscar has 5 more pro fights than Floyd. That might be an advantage if one guy has 6 pro fights and the other has 1, but when it's 42 and 37, it's zero advantage.

2. This is the only advantage Oscar carries into this fight, and like every other fighter Floyd moved up to face, it won't mean a thing after the fight's over.

3. Sorry to break this to you, but no 'boxer' is 'tailor made' for Oscar. The only fighters who've truly beaten him or given him the scares of his career have been boxers. If you could ask Oscar the one style he would not want to face, it would be that of a good athletic boxer.

4. This ain't Rocky III. Having a pro train you for 8 weeks doesn't give you their skills.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
(I guess you've never heard of Bernard Hopkins.)

1. Boxing experience is not always strictly a number of how many fights you have. It's a little more complicated than that. JCC Jr. has more pro fights than Miguel Cotto. Does that make him more experienced? It's the nature of the fights and what you've learned from them.

2. I'm glad you agree.

3. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Oscar's not gonna risk getting knocked on his a$$ by a good puncher. And please don't mention the Tito-damaged Mayorga. Oscar knew exactly when to take this guy on. If Floyd, on top of being the boxer he is, could punch worth a damn at 154, there would BE no fight.

4. Again, I guess we'll just have to disagree. Oscar doesn't need Mosley to "give him his skills." I'd like to think he's got skills of his own. A little fine-tuning? Yes. Unless of course you feel there's no value in that, either.

And yes..... I've heard of Bernard Hopkins. But tell me. What the hell does that have to do with what I stated?

Can you read the quote I put above the last statement? I thought you said Oscar's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he sign to fight Bernard Hopkins

Originally Posted by Samson3000

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Samson3000

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

1. Oscar has 5 more pro fights than Floyd. That might be an advantage if one guy has 6 pro fights and the other has 1, but when it's 42 and 37, it's zero advantage.

2. This is the only advantage Oscar carries into this fight, and like every other fighter Floyd moved up to face, it won't mean a thing after the fight's over.

3. Sorry to break this to you, but no 'boxer' is 'tailor made' for Oscar. The only fighters who've truly beaten him or given him the scares of his career have been boxers. If you could ask Oscar the one style he would not want to face, it would be that of a good athletic boxer.

4. This ain't Rocky III. Having a pro train you for 8 weeks doesn't give you their skills.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
(I guess you've never heard of Bernard Hopkins.)

1. Boxing experience is not always strictly a number of how many fights you have. It's a little more complicated than that. JCC Jr. has more pro fights than Miguel Cotto. Does that make him more experienced? It's the nature of the fights and what you've learned from them.

2. I'm glad you agree.

3. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Oscar's not gonna risk getting knocked on his a$$ by a good puncher. And please don't mention the Tito-damaged Mayorga. Oscar knew exactly when to take this guy on. If Floyd, on top of being the boxer he is, could punch worth a damn at 154, there would BE no fight.

4. Again, I guess we'll just have to disagree. Oscar doesn't need Mosley to "give him his skills." I'd like to think he's got skills of his own. A little fine-tuning? Yes. Unless of course you feel there's no value in that, either.

And yes..... I've heard of Bernard Hopkins. But tell me. What the hell does that have to do with what I stated?

Can you read the quote I put above the last statement? I thought you said Oscar's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he sign to fight Bernard Hopkins

One of the few miscalculations of Oscar's career. I figure he probably thought: "If Tito went up to 160 and won a fight before losing to Hopkins, maybe I can do him one better."

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

CC#188 very good points and key things that will be deciding factors for this fight.....
One things for sure it's gonna be a helluva night....

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

CC#188 very good points and key things that will be deciding factors for this fight.....
One things for sure it's gonna be a helluva night....

CC back, CMM. And you're right.... it should be a helluva night. The only thing that can take away from the fight (aside from a questionable decision), and I hope it doesn't happen, is if either or both fighters come to the ring looking NOT to get knocked out. If they let it all hang out, it should be a hell of an entertaining fight.

I REALLLLLLLLLLY want Oscar to win but I just don't see how he will.

In his prime he could not beat Shane who even in that fight was nowhere as fleet footed as Floyd will be.

Floyd will most likely come in light making it even more difficult for Oscar to catch him.

Oscars best punch is his left hook,Floyd knows this and will negate by all means necessary and if you can take that away from Oscar,you at least half his chances of winning.


Oscar has fought 3 times in like 2.5 years,inactivity catches up to everyone,no matter how good you are.And he's not getting any younger.

Oscar has never been a great pressure fighter,and I don't recall the last time I saw him throwing double and triple jabs and banging to the body(things he has said he will do against Floyd)

Granted Oscar will be bigger and stronger but most guys have had that advantage over Floyd.Oscar has much more experience in big fight situations but Floyd does not look like he will wilt. I also agree that Oscar's timing is impeccable,he knows when to make the fights and he would not take a fight he knew that he had no chance of winning but I just don't see how he can win.

Mosley certainly will assist Oscar in dealing with Floyd's handspeed but Oscar needs to spar with fleet footed fighters,learn to wear the body down,throws punches in bunches,cut off the ring,pressure pressure pressure,rough Floyd up on the inside,double jab,triple jab,these are all things I have not seen Oscar combine for a long long time,if ever. That's a lot of things to do! I just don't see it happening but oh how I would love to see that left hook land!!!

We're totally on opposite sides of the fence, E.G. You want Oscar to win, but you think Floyd will win instead. I, on the other hand, would dearly love for Oscar to lose, but I happen to think he's got the better chance to win the fight. Weird, huh?