Thread: Why do so many people think Combinations are so important?

If you pot shot and land twelve punches or if you throw a combination and land twelve punches its still twelve punches. I think its equally hard if not harder to potshot an opponent is also quick because they eventually learn your cues and its easier for them to block one shot than ten. I think Mayweather could do combinations if he chose to, but as a light puncher it would stupid for him to do so. Roy JOnes Jr. at light heavy weight also learned it was more effective to go one shot at a time. GUys like Leonard could throw combinations, but he could also get outboxed by Hearns because he wasn't able to fight the one punch game, and had to resort to less skill oriented fighting to beat Tommy. I just find the combinations that Roy, Leonard, Robinson, and Meldrick Taylor threw would win points, sometimes be effective, but mostly would be meaningless punches that came so quickly and in such large numbers the opponent couldn't retaliate, but still the majority of the punches would miss. No economic fighter punches in combinations because it isn't economic in nature to do so.

Because you move your opponents guard with them

I couldnt disagree more. Combination punchers are very important.. In order to be effective against world class fighters you need that 3rd 4th and 5th punch in order to land anything.. A well skilled fighter can evade 1 or 2 punch at a time easy.. without this skill , you need to fight lower level opposition or carry a very heavy hand to have success. very important skill for in fighting.

Originally Posted by Lords Gym

I couldnt disagree more. Combination punchers are very important.. In order to be effective against world class fighters you need that 3rd 4th and 5th punch in order to land anything.. A well skilled fighter can evade 1 or 2 punch at a time easy.. without this skill , you need to fight lower level opposition or carry a very heavy hand to have success. very important skill for in fighting.

Agreed if your leading with a snapping jab,it isnt just to land the jab.Its to tighten the guard in to that area,opening up crosses hooks and body shots.Or depending on how tight they get a nice uppercut.
Very few fighters are good enough to fight 1 and 2 punches at a time,and they generally set that up with far superior footwork

Because they are fun to watch. What was more fun. Watching they Mayweather DLH fight , or the Mickey ward Gatti fight.

Originally Posted by Lords Gym

I couldnt disagree more. Combination punchers are very important.. In order to be effective against world class fighters you need that 3rd 4th and 5th punch in order to land anything.. A well skilled fighter can evade 1 or 2 punch at a time easy.. without this skill , you need to fight lower level opposition or carry a very heavy hand to have success. very important skill for in fighting.

I think it can be beneficial, but if your fast enough you don't need to throw combinations and open up an opponent. If you can do without you shouldn't be criticized for not using it.

its all about COMBOS baby! remember those pretzel things with cheese pizza fillings inside? lol jk

but naw on the reals its all about COMBOS RJJ in his prime put together some sick combos which landed CLEAN, EFFECTIVELY, FAST, and HARD!

SRL too very quick hands he even turned his combos into flurries.

Vitali Klitschko in his latest fights was putting together combos and RJJ as a commentator was even giving him props on his combos!

I like Roy's combo's for sure, but SRL's seemed a bit over done, and weren't productive. I've always been able to get away without using combinations so I guess I don't value them as much as other fighters.

Originally Posted by Lords Gym

I couldnt disagree more. Combination punchers are very important.. In order to be effective against world class fighters you need that 3rd 4th and 5th punch in order to land anything.. A well skilled fighter can evade 1 or 2 punch at a time easy.. without this skill , you need to fight lower level opposition or carry a very heavy hand to have success. very important skill for in fighting.

COMPLETELY agree.
BUT! In the context of this thread, I think what Taeth was getting at (and correct me if I'm wrong) is not the effectiveness of combinations themselves, but scoring-wise.
Assuming there's some way to measure effectiveness of punching, should ten potshot punches count less than ten landed punches in combinations of the same effectiveness?
I don't think anyone would disagree that combinations are important strategically. But concerning scoring, are they on equal par?

CC for understanding Meowza... I think that people look more kindly on a huge combination than one guy pot shotting for a whole round and hitting an opponent the same amount of times.

In theory it should count the same scoring wise but it doesnt work that way because you can land quitely 12 potshot punches and the judges will take some notice but will be less impressed than if you land a huge 8 or 10 punch combination. It is much harder to ignore a nice combination than it is to ignore a dozen potshots.

PBF could throw combo if he wanted. its just that your alittle more open to be hit when you throw combos. PBF is a defensives fighter. one or two shots at a time then right back on defensive.

plus PBF's single shot normal have a decent amount of power on them. those hooks and strainght right hands he throws aren't just week arm puches.

Originally Posted by meowza

Originally Posted by Lords Gym

I couldnt disagree more. Combination punchers are very important.. In order to be effective against world class fighters you need that 3rd 4th and 5th punch in order to land anything.. A well skilled fighter can evade 1 or 2 punch at a time easy.. without this skill , you need to fight lower level opposition or carry a very heavy hand to have success. very important skill for in fighting.

COMPLETELY agree.
BUT! In the context of this thread, I think what Taeth was getting at (and correct me if I'm wrong) is not the effectiveness of combinations themselves, but scoring-wise.
Assuming there's some way to measure effectiveness of punching, should ten potshot punches count less than ten landed punches in combinations of the same effectiveness?
I don't think anyone would disagree that combinations are important strategically. But concerning scoring, are they on equal par?

they do count the same.. the flashy combination catches the judges eye. usually thrown on the inside which is a positive , it shows you willing to risk losing to win. Meldrick Taylor was terrific in this area.. great fighter to watch. Pete Whitaker was a master at it also . So yeah I think there is something positive about throwing a lot of punches in round. keeps the fans excited as well.

I think a fighter showing the determination to be first, taking the risk to be first deserves a slight edge on the score cards. safety first is snuff.. if both fighters fought like that you wouldn’t have a match.. nothing sorrier from a fight fan perspective then watching 2 counter punches pose at each other all night , both too gun shy to be the first one out the gate.. .

I would much rather watch 2 skilled aggressive fighters work their craft inside the ring.