Thread: NOW MIRANDA HAS LOST WILL TAYLOR WANT TO FIGHT HIM?

What do you guys think

lol, he doesn't want Pavlik of course. Taylor is a fraud, and has been. I'm still bitter over that Winky Wright decision.

Taylor is scared of Pavlik. I would be to if the guy who beat me in the amatures fought the ghost next in 1999 and got destroyed. He will run. Cowards always do.

Why would Jermain Taylor....a guy who has fought Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright be scared of another middleweight? JT has also fought 3 southpaws in a row!

JT will fight whoever they put infront of him

I can't see Taylor fighting anyone who can seriously crack. Pavlik certainly got the better of Miranda last night but everybody knows that Pavlik and Miranda have the heaviest hands in the division. I hope Miranda will still eventually get a shot at Taylor but for now he should get a couple of tune uo fights lined up and work his way back. Pavlik should get his shot.......but given Taylor's track record I wouldn't be surprised if he uses the more money excuse to duck the heavy hitters. He is only human and I wouldn't pass up an easy payday over a hard days work either but it must be getting hard for Taylor to look in the mirror and see a true champion despite what he keeps telling us.

Originally Posted by Mike Tyson ko power

What do you guys think

I think that that made me laugh out loud in agreement.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Why would Jermain Taylor....a guy who has fought Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright be scared of another middleweight? JT has also fought 3 southpaws in a row!

He lost to Hopkins & Wright...you know that.

Sure he's fought 3 southpaws in a row...& he's been handed victories over them all...he's not earned a single one.

Originally Posted by Lyle

JT will fight whoever they put infront of him

You would too if you were pretty much guaranteed a win as long as you stayed on your gotdam feet.

Taylor's borderline disgraceful & you know it. He stalls more than most 1980 Fords do.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Lyle

Why would Jermain Taylor....a guy who has fought Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright be scared of another middleweight? JT has also fought 3 southpaws in a row!

He lost to Hopkins & Wright...you know that.

Sure he's fought 3 southpaws in a row...& he's been handed victories over them all...he's not earned a single one.

Originally Posted by Lyle

JT will fight whoever they put infront of him

You would too if you were pretty much guaranteed a win as long as you stayed on your gotdam feet.

Taylor's borderline disgraceful & you know it. He stalls more than most 1980 Fords do.

I thought Taylor won the first Hopkins fight and Hopkins won the second. And I'd like to know where all the animosity and personal attacks on Taylor are coming from

Taylor want to be the best JUNIOR middleweight in the world and now he is. he's not going to fight Miranda or Pavlik. he'll be stripped of his titles and then move up to fight a pitty-pat fighter in Joe Calzage, which h'll lose to anyway.

Taylor is good Spinks would be hard for anybody

Originally Posted by clean

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Lyle

Why would Jermain Taylor....a guy who has fought Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright be scared of another middleweight? JT has also fought 3 southpaws in a row!

He lost to Hopkins & Wright...you know that.

Sure he's fought 3 southpaws in a row...& he's been handed victories over them all...he's not earned a single one.

Originally Posted by Lyle

JT will fight whoever they put infront of him

You would too if you were pretty much guaranteed a win as long as you stayed on your gotdam feet.

Taylor's borderline disgraceful & you know it. He stalls more than most 1980 Fords do.

I thought Taylor won the first Hopkins fight and Hopkins won the second. And I'd like to know where all the animosity and personal attacks on Taylor are coming from

I was a huge fan of Taylor's...seriously. HUGE!

Replay the Hopkins fight...the first one. Hopkins took his normal approach...mapped out Taylor & then got on him in the 7th & from the 8th to the 12th he rode Taylor hard.

Hopkins outlanded Taylor & landed the more effective shots.

Taylor won the second fight hands down...but not the first. HBO had the posters New Sherriff in Town printed up days before that fight was over. HBO's honey pot coulda been golden if he hadn't fallen prey to his own hype.

I just don't like what Taylor's become. If you backed a fighter & put all your hopes & prayers into him like I did Taylor...you'd maybe understand. Since you wanted to know where all the animosity and personal attacks on Taylor are coming from...that's why I have such a large amount of distaste for him.

He's squandering his talent & potential & that's a fact.

As the middleweight champion of the world...he should act like it...or atleast try. I wanted to shut the fight down after the 4th round last night...that's unheard of from me.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by clean

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Lyle

Why would Jermain Taylor....a guy who has fought Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright be scared of another middleweight? JT has also fought 3 southpaws in a row!

He lost to Hopkins & Wright...you know that.

Sure he's fought 3 southpaws in a row...& he's been handed victories over them all...he's not earned a single one.

Originally Posted by Lyle

JT will fight whoever they put infront of him

You would too if you were pretty much guaranteed a win as long as you stayed on your gotdam feet.

Taylor's borderline disgraceful & you know it. He stalls more than most 1980 Fords do.

I thought Taylor won the first Hopkins fight and Hopkins won the second. And I'd like to know where all the animosity and personal attacks on Taylor are coming from

I was a huge fan of Taylor's...seriously. HUGE!

Replay the Hopkins fight...the first one. Hopkins took his normal approach...mapped out Taylor & then got on him in the 7th & from the 8th to the 12th he rode Taylor hard.

Hopkins outlanded Taylor & landed the more effective shots.

Taylor won the second fight hands down...but not the first. HBO had the posters New Sherriff in Town printed up days before that fight was over. HBO's honey pot coulda been golden if he hadn't fallen prey to his own hype.

I just don't like what Taylor's become. If you backed a fighter & put all your hopes & prayers into him like I did Taylor...you'd maybe understand. Since you wanted to know where all the animosity and personal attacks on Taylor are coming from...that's why I have such a large amount of distaste for him.

He's squandering his talent & potential & that's a fact.

As the middleweight champion of the world...he should act like it...or atleast try. I wanted to shut the fight down after the 4th round last night...that's unheard of from me.

Sorry Wacko, but I just see the two Taylor-Hopkins fights differently than you. And I think maybe it's not Taylor that's squandering away talent, but you who falsely believed he had talent he never had to begin with. I've seen virtually Taylor's entire career, and before the first Hopkins fight, saw nothing that lead me to believe he'd be able to beat Bernard. He's not great in a single area, just good. He also lacks power, people confuse power with strength, he has strength, but he has no power, only enough to gain his opponents respect, he will NEVER be a threat to take anyone out with a single punch, and furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes the rest of his career without scoring a knockout. He fights ugly, but he is effective in that he won't allow anyone (at least at 160 or lower) to CONVINCINGLY beat him. Even if you thought he lost to Wright and Hopkins, I hope you'd at least have enough sense to understand how 2 of 3 judges might honestly have seen it differently.

Originally Posted by clean

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by clean

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Lyle

Why would Jermain Taylor....a guy who has fought Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright be scared of another middleweight? JT has also fought 3 southpaws in a row!

He lost to Hopkins & Wright...you know that.

Sure he's fought 3 southpaws in a row...& he's been handed victories over them all...he's not earned a single one.

Originally Posted by Lyle

JT will fight whoever they put infront of him

You would too if you were pretty much guaranteed a win as long as you stayed on your gotdam feet.

Taylor's borderline disgraceful & you know it. He stalls more than most 1980 Fords do.

I thought Taylor won the first Hopkins fight and Hopkins won the second. And I'd like to know where all the animosity and personal attacks on Taylor are coming from

I was a huge fan of Taylor's...seriously. HUGE!

Replay the Hopkins fight...the first one. Hopkins took his normal approach...mapped out Taylor & then got on him in the 7th & from the 8th to the 12th he rode Taylor hard.

Hopkins outlanded Taylor & landed the more effective shots.

Taylor won the second fight hands down...but not the first. HBO had the posters New Sherriff in Town printed up days before that fight was over. HBO's honey pot coulda been golden if he hadn't fallen prey to his own hype.

I just don't like what Taylor's become. If you backed a fighter & put all your hopes & prayers into him like I did Taylor...you'd maybe understand. Since you wanted to know where all the animosity and personal attacks on Taylor are coming from...that's why I have such a large amount of distaste for him.

He's squandering his talent & potential & that's a fact.

As the middleweight champion of the world...he should act like it...or atleast try. I wanted to shut the fight down after the 4th round last night...that's unheard of from me.

Sorry Wacko, but I just see the two Taylor-Hopkins fights differently than you. And I think maybe it's not Taylor that's squandering away talent, but you who falsely believed he had talent he never had to begin with. I've seen virtually Taylor's entire career, and before the first Hopkins fight, saw nothing that lead me to believe he'd be able to beat Bernard. He's not great in a single area, just good. He also lacks power, people confuse power with strength, he has strength, but he has no power, only enough to gain his opponents respect, he will NEVER be a threat to take anyone out with a single punch, and furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes the rest of his career without scoring a knockout. He fights ugly, but he is effective in that he won't allow anyone (at least at 160 or lower) to CONVINCINGLY beat him. Even if you thought he lost to Wright and Hopkins, I hope you'd at least have enough sense to understand how 2 of 3 judges might honestly have seen it differently.

While you & I very rarely disagree...WE REALLY REALLY DO HERE.

Taylor's a great young fighter with MUCH talent that he's just not using. You don't fight all the fighters that he fought & remain undefeated with the talent & abilities that he has.

Also...you don't fight Wright & Hopkins & get through the matches without being a hell of a talented fighter. Honestly...I am amazed that you even stated that.

What amazes me more is this one: "Even if you thought he lost to Wright and Hopkins, I hope you'd at least have enough sense to understand how 2 of 3 judges might honestly have seen it differently."

Apparently I don't have sense...nor do I understand it...because the above statement totally made NO SENSE.

Judges MIGHT see it differently because they either are informed which fighter is the HONEY POT for whom they are getting paid to score & also...many judges don't even know how to add up a card.

In the end...even though I don't agree with the decisions...but in Taylor's defense...again, you don't fight Wright & Hopkins & get through the matches without being a hell of a talented fighter. Taylor just needs to get back to being who he was a few years ago.

Believe in yourself & get your confidence & old trainer back.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by clean

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by clean

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Lyle

Why would Jermain Taylor....a guy who has fought Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright be scared of another middleweight? JT has also fought 3 southpaws in a row!

He lost to Hopkins & Wright...you know that.

Sure he's fought 3 southpaws in a row...& he's been handed victories over them all...he's not earned a single one.

Originally Posted by Lyle

JT will fight whoever they put infront of him

You would too if you were pretty much guaranteed a win as long as you stayed on your gotdam feet.

Taylor's borderline disgraceful & you know it. He stalls more than most 1980 Fords do.

I thought Taylor won the first Hopkins fight and Hopkins won the second. And I'd like to know where all the animosity and personal attacks on Taylor are coming from

I was a huge fan of Taylor's...seriously. HUGE!

Replay the Hopkins fight...the first one. Hopkins took his normal approach...mapped out Taylor & then got on him in the 7th & from the 8th to the 12th he rode Taylor hard.

Hopkins outlanded Taylor & landed the more effective shots.

Taylor won the second fight hands down...but not the first. HBO had the posters New Sherriff in Town printed up days before that fight was over. HBO's honey pot coulda been golden if he hadn't fallen prey to his own hype.

I just don't like what Taylor's become. If you backed a fighter & put all your hopes & prayers into him like I did Taylor...you'd maybe understand. Since you wanted to know where all the animosity and personal attacks on Taylor are coming from...that's why I have such a large amount of distaste for him.

He's squandering his talent & potential & that's a fact.

As the middleweight champion of the world...he should act like it...or atleast try. I wanted to shut the fight down after the 4th round last night...that's unheard of from me.

Sorry Wacko, but I just see the two Taylor-Hopkins fights differently than you. And I think maybe it's not Taylor that's squandering away talent, but you who falsely believed he had talent he never had to begin with. I've seen virtually Taylor's entire career, and before the first Hopkins fight, saw nothing that lead me to believe he'd be able to beat Bernard. He's not great in a single area, just good. He also lacks power, people confuse power with strength, he has strength, but he has no power, only enough to gain his opponents respect, he will NEVER be a threat to take anyone out with a single punch, and furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes the rest of his career without scoring a knockout. He fights ugly, but he is effective in that he won't allow anyone (at least at 160 or lower) to CONVINCINGLY beat him. Even if you thought he lost to Wright and Hopkins, I hope you'd at least have enough sense to understand how 2 of 3 judges might honestly have seen it differently.

While you & I very rarely disagree...WE REALLY REALLY DO HERE.

Taylor's a great young fighter with MUCH talent that he's just not using. You don't fight all the fighters that he fought & remain undefeated with the talent & abilities that he has.

Also...you don't fight Wright & Hopkins & get through the matches without being a hell of a talented fighter. Honestly...I am amazed that you even stated that.

What amazes me more is this one: "Even if you thought he lost to Wright and Hopkins, I hope you'd at least have enough sense to understand how 2 of 3 judges might honestly have seen it differently."

Apparently I don't have sense...nor do I understand it...because the above statement totally made NO SENSE.

Judges MIGHT see it differently because they either are informed which fighter is the HONEY POT for whom they are getting paid to score & also...many judges don't even know how to add up a card.

In the end...even though I don't agree with the decisions...but in Taylor's defense...again, you don't fight Wright & Hopkins & get through the matches without being a hell of a talented fighter. Taylor just needs to get back to being who he was a few years ago.

Believe in yourself & get your confidence & old trainer back.

My statement that you didn't understand is that Taylor's greatest asset is that he fights ugly, in turn, his opponent will fight ugly, subsequently, his fights will be difficult to score. This is my entire point. This is what you may say I believe is his greatest 'talent' and to answer your question, yes, you CAN get through 3 consecutive fights with Hopkins and Wright and not be very 'talented.' Taylor's asset is his ability to lure opponents into lack luster fights, (ironically, alot like John Ruiz). So I guess I do agree with you that even though we almost always agree, we'll have to agree to disagree on this rare occasion I simply don't think the guy is all that talented.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Lyle

Why would Jermain Taylor....a guy who has fought Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright be scared of another middleweight? JT has also fought 3 southpaws in a row!

He lost to Hopkins & Wright...you know that.

Sure he's fought 3 southpaws in a row...& he's been handed victories over them all...he's not earned a single one.

Originally Posted by Lyle

JT will fight whoever they put infront of him

You would too if you were pretty much guaranteed a win as long as you stayed on your gotdam feet.

Taylor's borderline disgraceful & you know it. He stalls more than most 1980 Fords do.

....OK

Jermain can only fight who they put infront of him dude....yeah he had close fights with Hopkins and Wright but fucking take a look at who can say that!

Tito can't say that!

Tarver can't say it!

De la Hoya can't say that!

Shane Mosely can't say that either!


Pavlik is really fucking good and the Pavlik-Miranda fight is probably the leader for fight of the year right now. That being said Kelly DESERVES the title shot.....but if the Calzaghe fight comes to fruition it'll mean a shitload more money for JT.

Anyone else want to see Miranda move up in weight and fight Jeff Lacy