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    Default How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    ...When 2 judges scoring the same fight have different fighters winning by 9 rounds to 3

    I know a lot of judging is about interpretation of styles etc, but this makes an absolute joke of the sport, when so called expert judges see virtually every round to a different fighter
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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H
    ...When 2 judges scoring the same fight have different fighters winning by 9 rounds to 3

    I know a lot of judging is about interpretation of styles etc, but this makes an absolute joke of the sport, when so called expert judges see virtually every round to a different fighter
    I agree...

    I will tell you this; I have not listened to a judges decision in years. If they're right then fine but do I allow it to sway the way I think... no. I interpret the fights how I interpret them. I always hope the judges get it right... About 90 % of the time they do.

    Some fighters get screwed and the records get messed with due to fighting favorites. I hate that shit!

    One of the ones that comes to mind is ODLH Sturm... Sturm won that fight fairly easily imo.
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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF BOSTON"
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H
    ...When 2 judges scoring the same fight have different fighters winning by 9 rounds to 3

    I know a lot of judging is about interpretation of styles etc, but this makes an absolute joke of the sport, when so called expert judges see virtually every round to a different fighter
    I agree...

    I will tell you this; I have not listened to a judges decision in years. If they're right then fine but do I allow it to sway the way I think... no. I interpret the fights how I interpret them. I always hope the judges get it right... About 90 % of the time they do.

    Some fighters get screwed and the records get messed with due to fighting favorites. I hate that S***!

    One of the ones that comes to mind is ODLH Sturm... Sturm won that fight fairly easily imo.
    CC mate - you know I still aint seen the DLH Sturm fight. Have to give El Gamo a shout
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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H
    Quote Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF BOSTON"
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H
    ...When 2 judges scoring the same fight have different fighters winning by 9 rounds to 3

    I know a lot of judging is about interpretation of styles etc, but this makes an absolute joke of the sport, when so called expert judges see virtually every round to a different fighter
    I agree...

    I will tell you this; I have not listened to a judges decision in years. If they're right then fine but do I allow it to sway the way I think... no. I interpret the fights how I interpret them. I always hope the judges get it right... About 90 % of the time they do.

    Some fighters get screwed and the records get messed with due to fighting favorites. I hate that S***!

    One of the ones that comes to mind is ODLH Sturm... Sturm won that fight fairly easily imo.
    CC mate - you know I still aint seen the DLH Sturm fight. Have to give El Gamo a shout
    Don't waste your time it was a terrible fight.
    Strum jabbed Oscar all night long. Round 1 thru round 12 it was the same damn thing. I can't believe they gave that fight to Oscar. Again don't waste your time watching it unless you don't like Oscar De La Hoya but you will be angry in the end wether you are a fan of his or hate him. lol

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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    I had a look for you Big H all links are dead

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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H
    ...When 2 judges scoring the same fight have different fighters winning by 9 rounds to 3

    I know a lot of judging is about interpretation of styles etc, but this makes an absolute joke of the sport, when so called expert judges see virtually every round to a different fighter
    Agreed. The judging in too many of the big fights recently has been way off. There needs to be some form of accountablility IMO. Judging should be a deadly serious job, and to have such discrepancies surely indicates that people are not seeing the same fights...
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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    well there are alot of people here that think spinks won. so that judge isn't alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
    well there are alot of people here that think spinks won. so that judge isn't alone.
    True but then we have to point out the Other Judge and the Other 50% who think Taylor won.

    How is that possible? Its crazy.
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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    Judges are unfortunately human.

    It is not as if there is something like a punch track or an energy bar (fight night) to see what's going on

    the only criterion they have to go on are:

    defense:
    ring generalship:
    effective aggression:

    In that fight I would give most of the rounds to Spinks for both
    defense and ring generalship.

    What it all comes down to is opinion afterall, I don't think that judges in
    boxing are any better or worse than other sports that use judges to
    determine a victor.
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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF BOSTON"
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H
    ...When 2 judges scoring the same fight have different fighters winning by 9 rounds to 3

    I know a lot of judging is about interpretation of styles etc, but this makes an absolute joke of the sport, when so called expert judges see virtually every round to a different fighter
    I agree...

    I will tell you this; I have not listened to a judges decision in years. If they're right then fine but do I allow it to sway the way I think... no. I interpret the fights how I interpret them. I always hope the judges get it right... About 90 % of the time they do.

    Some fighters get screwed and the records get messed with due to fighting favorites. I hate that S***!

    One of the ones that comes to mind is ODLH Sturm... Sturm won that fight fairly easily imo.
    It looks like its up to me to point out you bizarrly flawed logic here

    I interpret the fights how I interpret them

    Thats just what the judges do as well buddy

    What you say makes no sense. Are you saying that judges should likewise be free to interperet a fight as they see fit, as you do, or would you rather they had to conform to your interpretation?

    I'm not supporting the judges cos I think they suck at times too but arguing for you own sense of maverick free spirited judging of a fight whilst at the same time damning the judges for doing the same doesn't make much sense.

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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
    well there are alot of people here that think spinks won. so that judge isn't alone.
    I'm gonna watch the fight tonight, so I can't comment yet, but the problem is not that the judges had things different, it's that they had things so massivley different. I mean one judge 9 rounds to 3 Taylor, and another judhe 9 rounds to 3 to Spinks, how can this happen?
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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H
    Quote Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
    well there are alot of people here that think spinks won. so that judge isn't alone.
    I'm gonna watch the fight tonight, so I can't comment yet, but the problem is not that the judges had things different, it's that they had things so massivley different. I mean one judge 9 rounds to 3 Taylor, and another judhe 9 rounds to 3 to Spinks, how can this happen?
    One judge saw Taylor's aggression and Spinks backing up. And the other judge saw Spinks counter punching ring generalship and defense.

    This fight and those two scores are a prime example on what style those judges were looking at.
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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    It's not like they are going on...an energy bar (fight night) to see what's going on Killer


    LOL I like the way you're thinking there.

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    The scoring system that we have in Professional boxing is the best of the worst systems that we have.

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    Default Re: How can we have any faith in judges anymore!!!

    I have a daughter who lives in NYC. Recently my son went to visit her and they both went to some fights at Madison Square Garden. This was the first time my daughter had ever been to a boxing match. There was a controversial decision on the main event. I thought it was funny when I asked my daughter what she thought of the fights. She said she enjoyed the fights, but said the wrong guy won the main event. WTF is wrong with the judging system in boxing that allows somebody, who is considered a competent official, score a fight for the loser. Maybe we should ask Dick Flaherty.

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