Thread: 70's Foreman VS 90's Foreman

I think its remarkable that one man could change his course in life and dramatically reinvent himself mind, soul and emotion like George Foreman did... He was able to atone for his shortcomings personally and competitively and chase away the demons that plagued him after his loss to Ali in Zaire 1974 to comeback persevere and do something of legend and magic in the way he KO'D Moorer at age 45..

I for along time wondered if you could seperate George and the fighter person he was in the 70's and have him fight the person and warrior he was in the 90's who would win?

Young George was ferocious intimidating and bludgeoning had a questionable heart and mental makeup. While Old George had grown and strengthen his mind, will and desire not just as a fighter but as a person. He had one of the biggest hearts the sport had ever seen with steely determination and will to go with that warrior personality he developed, not to mention when he startred his comeback at 38 he was signifigantly over his previous fighting weight but was better conditioned than in his younger days.

I believe the older Foreman could survive the onslaught of the younger one and would be confident and determined to out last him in a war of attricion where Old Georges heart, desire and will would wear down his younger self and stop him late..

Whats your opinion?

Good writing ...... I think one or the other of them would have got seriously and permanently hurt !!

I agree 100%, an old Foreman would weather the storm and k.o. his younger version in the late rounds. If young Foreman wasn't so wild I think he would beat the older version, but the patience and savvy George showed later in his career would decisively beat a younger version. A young George would break his arms and hands hitting Old George on the body, the older version was like a granite mountain. IMO the best heavyweight ever, just because he came back and did what he did against Moorer, being as old as he was.

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Young Foreman would dismantle the old one i admire Foreman at his old age but he was so slow and young Foreman would swarm all over him and poor old George would be stopped on his feet.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Young Foreman would dismantle the old one i admire Foreman at his old age but he was so slow and young Foreman would swarm all over him and poor old George would be stopped on his feet.

I gotta disagree Old George was pretty damn close to the ferocious puncher he was in his younger days, his cross armed defense he developed from Archie Moore was a huge bullet in his gun, the younger George had one of the worst defenses for such a celebrated champion. Young George was wide open and would get tattooed coming in and would get broken down mentally by the smarter more determined older George. And after 3 rounds when he couldn't KO the old man he would start getting the self doubt that someone could absorb his punches and punishment, and then counter with bludgeoning shots I think old George would take the piss out of him mentally and then go on to doing it physically

Originally Posted by LEGION

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Young Foreman would dismantle the old one i admire Foreman at his old age but he was so slow and young Foreman would swarm all over him and poor old George would be stopped on his feet.

I gotta disagree Old George was pretty damn close to the ferocious puncher he was in his younger days, his cross armed defense he developed from Archie Moore was a huge bullet in his gun, the younger George had one of the worst defenses for such a celebrated champion. Young George was wide open and would get tattooed coming in and would get broken down mentally by the smarter more determined older George. And after 3 rounds when he couldn't KO the old man he would start getting the self doubt that someone could absorb his punches and punishment, and then counter with bludgeoning shots I think old George would take the piss out of him mentally and then go on to doing it physically

I think your underrating the young Foreman he never got self doubt only after just 3 rounds i do agree the older version was smarter and had better defense but old Foreman was too slow young one would just swarm him and would be alot quicker than the old one i know Foreman had amazing chin when he got older but he wouldn't take the punches of a younger Foreman no way but i maybe wrong but i just think the younger one would win.

I go with the older Geroge....Slower a bit yes ( but then again when was Geroge even considered slightly fast or even average).....But like stated before the older George knew how to be patient...he was better conditioned ( mostly due to knowing how to relax in the ring)...he rolled with the punches to take starch off.....He would be patient let the younger version punch himself out while getting in enought shots to help wear younger geroge down to the body more then get the KO around 9 or 10

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Young Foreman would dismantle the old one i admire Foreman at his old age but he was so slow and young Foreman would swarm all over him and poor old George would be stopped on his feet.

I gotta disagree Old George was pretty damn close to the ferocious puncher he was in his younger days, his cross armed defense he developed from Archie Moore was a huge bullet in his gun, the younger George had one of the worst defenses for such a celebrated champion. Young George was wide open and would get tattooed coming in and would get broken down mentally by the smarter more determined older George. And after 3 rounds when he couldn't KO the old man he would start getting the self doubt that someone could absorb his punches and punishment, and then counter with bludgeoning shots I think old George would take the piss out of him mentally and then go on to doing it physically

I think your underrating the young Foreman he never got self doubt only after just 3 rounds i do agree the older version was smarter and had better defense but old Foreman was too slow young one would just swarm him and would be alot quicker than the old one i know Foreman had amazing chin when he got older but he wouldn't take the punches of a younger Foreman no way but i maybe wrong but i just think the younger one would win.

I only say that because he would size up the old stout man believeing that he couldnt last 30 seconds let alone 3 rounds... If you remember all the interviews that George did young or old that was his mentality in the 70's when he came to fight.

I just think Older George could find and capitalize on the Younger Foremans chin easier than the other way around. especially if he got winded

Superior ability to move gives it to 70's
Its not like that version was beating nothing but bums,with 2 wins against Frazier,Norton,Lyle and Chuvallo

Originally Posted by JT Rock

I think its remarkable that one man could change his course in life and dramatically reinvent himself mind, soul and emotion like George Foreman did... He was able to atone for his shortcomings personally and competitively and chase away the demons that plagued him after his loss to Ali in Zaire 1974 to comeback persevere and do something of legend and magic in the way he KO'D Moorer at age 45..

I for along time wondered if you could seperate George and the fighter person he was in the 70's and have him fight the person and warrior he was in the 90's who would win?

Young George was ferocious intimidating and bludgeoning had a questionable heart and mental makeup. While Old George had grown and strengthen his mind, will and desire not just as a fighter but as a person. He had one of the biggest hearts the sport had ever seen with steely determination and will to go with that warrior personality he developed, not to mention when he startred his comeback at 38 he was signifigantly over his previous fighting weight but was better conditioned than in his younger days.

I believe the older Foreman could survive the onslaught of the younger one and would be confident and determined to out last him in a war of attricion where Old Georges heart, desire and will would wear down his younger self and stop him late..

Whats your opinion?

Mental makeup...ok, fine I agree he was a bully and had the bully mentality but NO HEART?? Ron Lyle found out about his heart.

Pretty much any fighter who can get up from a serious knockdown and knock the other guy out has heart.


He did show more heart in his old age as he was a big punching bag for everyone especially Holyfield who couldn't KO him but still everyone who hit him got rocked in return

Originally Posted by Lyle

Originally Posted by JT Rock

I think its remarkable that one man could change his course in life and dramatically reinvent himself mind, soul and emotion like George Foreman did... He was able to atone for his shortcomings personally and competitively and chase away the demons that plagued him after his loss to Ali in Zaire 1974 to comeback persevere and do something of legend and magic in the way he KO'D Moorer at age 45..

I for along time wondered if you could seperate George and the fighter person he was in the 70's and have him fight the person and warrior he was in the 90's who would win?

Young George was ferocious intimidating and bludgeoning had a questionable heart and mental makeup. While Old George had grown and strengthen his mind, will and desire not just as a fighter but as a person. He had one of the biggest hearts the sport had ever seen with steely determination and will to go with that warrior personality he developed, not to mention when he startred his comeback at 38 he was signifigantly over his previous fighting weight but was better conditioned than in his younger days.

I believe the older Foreman could survive the onslaught of the younger one and would be confident and determined to out last him in a war of attricion where Old Georges heart, desire and will would wear down his younger self and stop him late..

Whats your opinion?

Mental makeup...ok, fine I agree he was a bully and had the bully mentality but NO HEART?? Ron Lyle found out about his heart.

Pretty much any fighter who can get up from a serious knockdown and knock the other guy out has heart.


He did show more heart in his old age as he was a big punching bag for everyone especially Holyfield who couldn't KO him but still everyone who hit him got rocked in return

I noticed you bolded out my QUESTIONABLE HEART, and then countered with NO HEART, I say questionable heart cause of the reason you mentioned, Ron Lyle cleaned his clock and had him take a face dive and George got up, in the biggest fight of his career against one of the greatest fighters ever he took the 10 count instead of seizeing the moment and trying to grab boxing immortality

Didnt Norton have a 'Crab' Defence too? Oh and they used to say Chuvallo 'had one hell of a Chin'.

I think stylewise young Foreman would be all over the old man at the start. Not a brutal beat down by anymeans but the raw aggression and edge in speed and conditioning would make young Foreman look the boss.

Foreman of the 70's would start to look terrible from around the 6th. With old boy having more success in bossing the youngn' around, soring with a few jolting rights. However, the old boy would be a spent force by about the 10th. Exhusted by the previous rounds of physical jockying.

This fight would be an ugly mess of swinging arms, pushing and shoving and bulldozing but the younger Foreman would have enough in the tank to regain some form of control by the championship rounds.

70's Foreman by UD.

I say 70's Foreman by TKO....no way anyone is going to let an old man get tatooed by the hardest hitting heavyweight champ in the history of the sport


Foreman vs Ali is a bad fight to refrence in regars to his heart as Ali mentally tore apart everyone he fought