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    Default Dariusz Michalczewski in the Hall? What do you think?

    With a final slate of 48 -2 with 38 ko's, "The Tiger" accomplished much in his career, but will it be enough to get him into the Hall when his time comes? Let's review his body of work.

    Amateur record

    Dariusz Michalczewski first took to the ring at age twelve. He came up through Poland's Government-run sports program and had a very successful amateur career before turning professional in 1991. His record was 133-15-2 with 83 KO's. Among his many amateur honors, he won the:

    1986 European Junior Championships: Middleweight (3rd Place)
    1989 European Championships: Light Heavyweight (2nd Place)
    1990 German Championships: Light Heavyweight (1st place)
    1991 European Championships: Light Heavyweight (1st place)

    Professional career

    In the professional ranks, he soon demonstrated he possessed the tools and skills to go all the way. His power was matched by a strong chin. Always in top shape, he had great stamina and maintained superb fight-plan discipline and focus throughout his fights. While he could have been a tad faster, he was a complete fighter with an overall skill level at the top tier.

    In 1992, he beat tough Sean Mannion, 39-12-1, in Hamburg by 3rd round TKO. This was an extremely impressive feat for someone in only his 5th fight and a harbinger of things to come. The tough Mannion had gone 15 with Mike McCallum and had beaten some top level people like Rocky Fratto, In Chul Baek and Fred "The Pumper" Hutchings.

    The following year he beat Ali Saidi for the German International Light Heavyweight Title, the first of many belts he would garner. Just three months later, he stopped Noel Magee, 23-4-2 coming in, in the eighth round. This was for the Vacant IBF Inter-Continental Light Heavyweight Title. Later that same year, he won his third belt, the IBF Inter-Continental Light Heavyweight Title, with a 10th round ko of Mwehu Beya, 27 - 4 -4 at the time. 1993 had been a good year for The Tiger.

    These victories positioned him for a 1994 fight with rugged Leeonzer Barber, 19-1 (and out of Detroit). This fight would be for the WBO Light Heavyweight Title. Darrius seiezed the opportunity and won the crown with a convincing UD. Finally, he was a world champion and he had earned it the hard way.

    Three months later, he won the WBO Cruiserweight Title by defeating Nestor Hipolito Giovannini, 36-7-3 at the time, by a decisive tenth round knockout. He quickly gave up that title so he could continue to campaign as a light heavyweight

    The “Tiger” had now won five belts and owned a record of 24 -0 with 19 Kos. If he had retired at that point, it would have been a noteworthy career, but it was just the beginning of what would be a streak of truly remarkable accomplishments.

    After the Giovannini fight, Michalczewski went on to make 23 successful defenses of his WBO title and along the way picked up three more belts! In June 1997, he gained world-wide recognition as a top light heavyweight when he defeated the very capable Virgil Hill in 12 tough rounds. In so doiung, he added Hill's WBA and IBF titles to his cache, but the WBA, in typical despicable behavior, stripped him for displaying its belt along with that of the WBO, an organization it didn't recognize.

    Around this same time, Roy Jones Junior was winning his own supply of world title belts, and Boxing fans began to make noise for the two to meet one another in the ring, but it never happened. Both preferred fighting in their own respective contries and, based on Roy's bile-inducing experience during the 1988 Olymics in Korea, few could blame him for avoiding a repeat in DM's adopted country. Still, it remains a shame for the fans that a fight in a neutral location could not be made. Both talked the talk but not convincingly. Despite half-hearted calls from both sides of the ocean to make the super fight, neither man was willing to concede, even to reasonable terms.

    During the aforementioned streak of 23 title defenses, The Tiger beat tough Graciano "Rocky" Rocchigiani twice, once by TKO. He also stopped Jamaican warrior Richard Hall on two occasions as well as Montel Griffith, a two-time victor over James Toney. His last career win was a hard earned KO over Derrick Harmon, 23-3.but it may have taken something out of him.

    He was then scheduled to fight Julio Cesar Gonzalez, then 34-1, whom I witnessed win an incredible closet classic over the late Julian "Mr. KO" Letterlogh with both fighters down more than once. Curiously, the tough Mexican's only loss up to this point had been to Roy Jones in a UD in 2001. That fight had been for the WBC Light Heavyweight Title, WBA Light Heavyweight Title, IBF Light Heavyweight Title, IBO Light Heavyweight Title, WBF Light Heavyweight Title, IBA Light Heavyweight Title and the NBA Light Heavyweight Title. Talk about insanity in Boxing!

    The Gonzalez fight was held on October 18, 2003 in Germany (where all but two of The Tiger's bouts had been held.) Though Michalczewski was a prohibitive favorite, Julio snatched a split decision victory. The American judge ruled it 116-112 and the Canadian 115-113 for Gonzalez. Predictably, the German judge gave it to Michalczewski 115-113. But to the Tiger's credit, there was no argument from his camp. It was Dariusz's first defeat in 49 outings. Absorbing The Tiger's best shots, the Mexican fighter landed his own uppercuts against the 35 year old Pole. "I listened to my corner and I fought like a Mexican," Gonzalez said. Clearly, it had been enough to pull off this shocker.

    A few months after having been stopped decisivly by France's Fabrice Tiozzo, 46-2, for the WBA light-heavyweight title on in 2005 in Hamburg, Michalczewski announced his retirement. Ironically, he had beaten Tiozzo in the amatures but this time around, the Frenchman had his way with him.

    Despite the two losses, he still holds the record for the most consecutive successful title defenses at light heavyweight. While he drew criticism for rarely fighting outside Germany, and also for never facing Jones, he was a huge draw in Germany which begs the question: why fight elsewhere if you can make a fortune in the friendly confines of an adopted country in which you have become a legend? As for the Jones' criticism, it takes two to tango.

    Going undefeated for the first 12 years of his professional career a, a record twenty three consecutive title defenses, winner of 7 different title belts, 48 straight victories out of the gate, a final record of 48-2, a 76% knockout percentage, and consistently impressive wins over solid competition are stong credentials. The only weakness may be that the level of opposition could have been stronger.

    Still, he also was the only fighter in the world at 175 pounds who people gave much of a chance to beat a prime Roy Jones Jr. That would seem to be enough for serious consideration into a Hall of Fame that's starts with the word "International."

    What do you think?

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    Dariusz is an up in the air guy....Some of his biggest problems will be the fact he is not that known worl wide except to enthusiast...

    Hew holds wins over Rocchigiani, Hill, Griffing and Harmon but is that enough to consider him for the hall....Not to mention his only fights outside of Germany were in Poland I think.......

    You never know with the Hall who will get in or not they have suprised me on some things over the years.....

    If he does make it in it will not be for a long time.IMO as European fighters start to dominate the higher divisions more his chances will keep improving
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    i think if you let him now this early you have to let a couple of others i n too also common fans know who he is

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    CC #114 ...That was a great recapitulation of DM career...
    Dariusz was one of my favorite fighters ever...always exciting fights,which ended most of the
    time with a KO for the Tiger...but some critic must be:He had a real crappy defense...and
    would have most probably lost to a prime RRJ,but as said above he of all light heavies out there
    would have had the best chance to beat Jones...

    If he should get in the HoF I really don't know...maybe...


    BTW Michalczewski said for 10 million euros he would get back into the ring for one more fight...
    Pretty humble, eh ?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
    CC #114 ...That was a great recapitulation of DM career...
    Dariusz was one of my favorite fighters ever...always exciting fights,which ended most of the
    time with a KO for the Tiger...but some critic must be:He had a real crappy defense...and
    would have most probably lost to a prime RRJ,but as said above he of all light heavies out there
    would have had the best chance to beat Jones...

    If he should get in the HoF I really don't know...maybe...


    BTW Michalczewski said for 10 million euros he would get back into the ring for one more fight...
    Pretty humble, eh ?!?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
    Dariusz is an up in the air guy....Some of his biggest problems will be the fact he is not that known worl wide except to enthusiast...
    I don't think popularity is one of the criterias for entering the Hall.

    IMO hes career is more then worthy of Hall, I also happen to think hes argueably one of the best Light Heavys of all time.
    You also gotta remember that the shit the WBA and IBF did to him was just one of THEE worst things thats happened to a fighter coming from the belt org. They literally took from his legacy in what they did to him, he would have had all 3 titles. He would have defended the WBO Light Heavy title 23 times and the WBA & IBF titles 14 times. He also moved up in weight in a 1 time deal and won the WBO Cruiserweight title. The Gonzalez fight was such a good fight and I agree that Gonzalez won the fight, close but he won it. The Tiozzo fight was a good fight matter a fact I just watched this fight last night. Dariusz had Tiozzo a couple of times and caught Tiozzo with some really good shots but just couldn't finish him. The combo that Tiozzo landed on Dariusz was wicked man and I still don't understand how Dariusz made it to his feet.

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    Based on how many title defences yes but based on names he beat ?? i don't think so he beat Hill which was very impressive but his only other good wins are Griffin, Hall, and Piper who gave Benn a run for his money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Based on how many title defences yes but based on names he beat ?? i don't think so he beat Hill which was very impressive but his only other good wins are Griffin, Hall, and Piper who gave Benn a run for his money.
    He has beaten more or less the same "big" names,that RRJ has beaten as light heavy...
    The thing is there weren't just that many good light heavies out there at that time or
    better said that many "big" names...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick
    Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
    Dariusz is an up in the air guy....Some of his biggest problems will be the fact he is not that known worl wide except to enthusiast...
    I don't think popularity is one of the criterias for entering the Hall.

    IMO hes career is more then worthy of Hall, I also happen to think hes argueably one of the best Light Heavys of all time.
    You also gotta remember that the S*** the WBA and IBF did to him was just one of THEE worst things thats happened to a fighter coming from the belt org. They literally took from his legacy in what they did to him, he would have had all 3 titles. He would have defended the WBO Light Heavy title 23 times and the WBA & IBF titles 14 times. He also moved up in weight in a 1 time deal and won the WBO Cruiserweight title. The Gonzalez fight was such a good fight and I agree that Gonzalez won the fight, close but he won it. The Tiozzo fight was a good fight matter a fact I just watched this fight last night. Dariusz had Tiozzo a couple of times and caught Tiozzo with some really good shots but just couldn't finish him. The combo that Tiozzo landed on Dariusz was wicked man and I still don't understand how Dariusz made it to his feet.



    No popularity isn't a criteria but just like everything else Mick we know the bigger the name the better the chance is they take notice....how else do you explain guys from the 50's or 60's just getting inducted or even a step further I seen one time a guy was dead like 15 years and his wife ended up acce[ting for him......

    That is also why I said the more dominate the Europeans become the better his chances are they look at him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Based on how many title defences yes but based on names he beat ?? i don't think so he beat Hill which was very impressive but his only other good wins are Griffin, Hall, and Piper who gave Benn a run for his money.
    He has beaten more or less the same "big" names,that RRJ has beaten as light heavy...
    The thing is there weren't just that many good light heavies out there at that time or
    better said that many "big" names...

    Be careful here. Jones has fought 19 guys who were a wrold champion at one time or another!! The Hall seems to have an issue with Euro and Asian fighters and that's why I tend to focus on them. As an American-based writer, I think I can remove some of the perceived bias from the outset. Having lived in both Europe and Asia for many years. I also have a bit of insight that others might not have. That all said, DM is a borderline inductee at best, but he does have a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Based on how many title defences yes but based on names he beat ?? i don't think so he beat Hill which was very impressive but his only other good wins are Griffin, Hall, and Piper who gave Benn a run for his money.
    He has beaten more or less the same "big" names,that RRJ has beaten as light heavy...
    The thing is there weren't just that many good light heavies out there at that time or
    better said that many "big" names...

    Be careful here. Jones has fought 19 guys who were a wrold champion at one time or another!! The Hall seems to have an issue with Euro and Asian fighters and that's why I tend to focus on them. As an American-based writer, I think I can remove some of the perceived bias from the outset. Having lived in both Europe and Asia for many years. I also have a bit of insight that others might not have. That all said, DM is a borderline inductee at best, but he does have a chance.

    CC Ted that was my point exactly.....like I said he is an up in the air guy...I have seen much much worse choices but though I agree 100% with Mick that popularity is not a criteria to get in the hall it does sway decisions........And the powers that be tend to go with the more well known guys getting in first.......Also that is why I said the more the Euro fighters start to dominate the higer weight classes the more you will hear comparisons to Dariusz and the more his name is out there on a reg basis the more it helps his chances on them taking notice on even putting him on the ballot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Based on how many title defences yes but based on names he beat ?? i don't think so he beat Hill which was very impressive but his only other good wins are Griffin, Hall, and Piper who gave Benn a run for his money.
    He has beaten more or less the same "big" names,that RRJ has beaten as light heavy...
    The thing is there weren't just that many good light heavies out there at that time or
    better said that many "big" names...

    Be careful here. Jones has fought 19 guys who were a wrold champion at one time or another!!
    I was pretty careful here...thats why I said more or less and as a light heavy...

    The names I meant areerrick Harmon, Richard Hall, Montell Griffin and Virgil Hill...
    And of course Julio Cesar Gonzalez...,but DM lost to him and RJJ got a dominant UD...




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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Based on how many title defences yes but based on names he beat ?? i don't think so he beat Hill which was very impressive but his only other good wins are Griffin, Hall, and Piper who gave Benn a run for his money.
    He has beaten more or less the same "big" names,that RRJ has beaten as light heavy...
    The thing is there weren't just that many good light heavies out there at that time or
    better said that many "big" names...
    Yes But Roy Jones was also 4 weight division world champion beating the likes on Hill, Toney, Hopkins,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Based on how many title defences yes but based on names he beat ?? i don't think so he beat Hill which was very impressive but his only other good wins are Griffin, Hall, and Piper who gave Benn a run for his money.
    He has beaten more or less the same "big" names,that RRJ has beaten as light heavy...
    The thing is there weren't just that many good light heavies out there at that time or
    better said that many "big" names...
    Yes But Roy Jones was also 4 weight division world champion beating the likes on Hill, Toney, Hopkins,

    Yes I know that...thats why I say "as a light heavy"...
    And whereas DM might or might not get a HoF place, RJJ absolutely will get one...
    I'm just comparing a LHW RJJ with a LHW Michalczewski and even though RJJ was of course
    better Michalczewski is probably the next best one as a light heavy weight...



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