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    Default Cassius Clay-Doug Jones..... No controversy

    Ok I revisited the fight out of my Ali career collection and as with a good bit of his early fights, the quality on this one isn't all that great. There is a white spot that occasionally covers the fighters faces and even hands making in hard to judge punches. Other times there would be still footage and total white outs. That being said, I looked at the fight objectively and with surprisingly (even to myself) unbiased scoring. Here's what I came up with using the round system of points:

    Round          Clay          Jones          Comment
    1                  1                                  Jones lands big shot early but Clay more consistent.
    2                                  1                Solid round for Jones.
    3                  1
    4                  1                                  Both rounds for Clay, Jones not doing much effectively.
    5                                  1                Undeniable round for Jones, 2 point round in a must system
    6                                  1                Clearly Jones round
    7                                  1                Close. While Clay had a very consistent round, Jones' 45 seconds he won throughout may have been more effective than what Clay did. Virtual toss-up/even round
    8                                  1                Close. Same deal as 7.
    9                  1                                  Close and very unclear video footage. Clay seemed to be more effective.
    10                1                                  Undeniable round for Clay . 2 point round in a must system.
    Total            5                5

    I saw it as a draw in both a round system and a must system. You must note however that Jones received two close rounds in my view and Clay only one. As I stated above those rounds really could've went either way even as a tie round. The two ring side judges scored the bout 5-4-1 Clay. I could've just as easily came up with the same score had I made one of those close rounds for Jones (more than likely round 7) a tie. The referee scored the bout 8-1-1 Clay. He is an idiot.

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    Default Re: Cassius Clay-Doug Jones..... No controversy

    I think I remember having it 6-4 for Ali, but like you said the video quality isn't the greatest (we probably have the same career set). Real close fight.
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    Default Re: Cassius Clay-Doug Jones..... No controversy

    I had Ali ahead by 1 round very close fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker
    I think I remember having it 6-4 for Ali, but like you said the video quality isn't the greatest (we probably have the same career set). Real close fight.
    Round 7 is the whole fight because the scoring for everything else is pretty straight forward. I gave it to Jones so I have a tie. If that round is tied or given to Clay he wins which is why I don't see two judges scoring 5-4-1 Clay a big deal.

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    I'll have to go back and watch the 7th again because I can't remember which rounds I gave to who, I just remember I decided to score it since I read it was controversial and came up with 6-4 for Ali.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker
    I'll have to go back and watch the 7th again because I can't remember which rounds I gave to who, I just remember I decided to score it since I read it was controversial and came up with 6-4 for Ali.
    watch 7,8, and 9. Those are the close ones that really determine the winner depending on how you view them. In retrospect, I probably should've made the 7th a tie round.

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    Default Re: Cassius Clay-Doug Jones..... No controversy

    Very close fight but the bottom line is they got it right. Jones did well, but Ali did a little better (although this was not one of his better performances)
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    Default Re: Cassius Clay-Doug Jones..... No controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker
    I'll have to go back and watch the 7th again because I can't remember which rounds I gave to who, I just remember I decided to score it since I read it was controversial and came up with 6-4 for Ali.
    watch 7,8, and 9. Those are the close ones that really determine the winner depending on how you view them. In retrospect, I probably should've made the 7th a tie round.

    OK I'll go back and see if I agree with me from 8 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoom View Post
    Very close fight but the bottom line is they got it right. Jones did well, but Ali did a little better (although this was not one of his better performances)
    Because, Doug Jones was a generally good fighter.

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    March 14, 1963

    New York Daily News

    ~ Cassius Clay Exposed As A Fraud ~

    The 18,732 in attendance last night at Madison Square Garden can't all be wrong,
    as they lustily boo'ed the undeserved Decision for Cassius Clay.
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    "If Doug Jones upset me, I will retire"

    "If Doug Jones upset me, I'll quit fighting"

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    Doug Jones

    I kept driving my right-hands into his heart. I could hear him {Cassius} squeal each time
    that I slammed him in his chest.

    Yes, I think he had a weak ticker'.

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    Default Re: Cassius Clay-Doug Jones..... No controversy

    I remember scoring it 6-4 for clay years ago and wondered why this seemed like such a controversial decision.

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    Default Re: Cassius Clay-Doug Jones..... No controversy

    There probably was no controversy except for haters
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    Default Re: Cassius Clay-Doug Jones..... No controversy

    Gr8 fight.

    Proved Clay could stand & bang it out with a guy whose 5 years experience supersedes today's HW's resume.

    17-0 Clay taking on a guy whose resume consisted of Bobo Olson, Eddie Machen, Zora Foley & Bob Foster.

    No controversy in how Clay had to win this fight: Toe to toe exchange.

    Clay didn't dance to win it, he had to take it away from Jones.
    All's lost! Everything's going to shit!

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