Thread: Ricky Hatton vs. Juan Diaz @ 140. What are your thoughts?

Juan just finished what I consider his highest most dominant performance so far of his career.

I am not by any means comparing Julio with Hatton so don't go there.

If you just seen the Juan fight you'll know why this would make for a very interesting fight.

What are your thoughts?

I think that Juan's probably gonna have his hands full with Ricky...not to say that he could'nt beat him...but has Juan faced anyone with that much movement?

I'm not a big follower of Juan. I've seen him fight about 5 or 6 times but could'nt break him down like a book.

Tuff call.

juan will have a better chance against the smaller pacman but even in that fight i can't see juan winning cause even though he did look good just now his still pretty basic and his lacking power. he throws a lot of punches but thats not going to work his going to need more then that against the elites.

Hatton too strong by half at this juncture. One for the future maybe, depends how long until Hatton retires.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

I think that Juan's probably gonna have his hands full with Ricky...not to say that he could'nt beat him...but has Juan faced anyone with that much movement?

I'm not a big follower of Juan. I've seen him fight about 5 or 6 times but could'nt break him down like a book.

Tuff call.

Right on Wacks which is why IMO if Hatton loses against PBF, I think Juan should move up and venture into Jr. Welterweight. I mean beating David Diaz IMO won't mean much honestly. The only other fight that's there for him is if Pac moves up or if the moneys right and he gives Kats a shot? Other then that I think he should move up at 140 and give it a go there.

I wont happen ever, but id slightly favor Hatton cause of his size. If it was at a catch of 136 or so Id go with Diaz. Diaz may eventually fill out to 140, but right now he has a strong lighweight frame and is at his prime there.

Maybe I'm alone on this, but I think Ricky would have to get real busy real fast on Juan or he would have major troubles with that kids workrate down the stretch. That show he just put on was about the most 1 sided fight I've seen in a while, very impressive imo. I'd take Juan in a ud over Hatton. I'd love to see Juan go to 140 and play with Judah.

Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain

juan will have a better chance against the smaller pacman but even in that fight i can't see juan winning cause even though he did look good just now his still pretty basic and his lacking power. he throws a lot of punches but thats not going to work his going to need more then that against the elites.

Well to say that he'll need more then being a pressure fighter to beat the elites is a bit premature IMO.
The reason I say this is because Monzon used to be a pressure fighter and who thought he would beat Nino? This unknown Argentine fighter who had never stepped foot in the US before?
Pryors pressure fighting worked throughout his whole career.
Cottos pressure fighting is working just fine up until now.

Originally Posted by BoomBoom

I wont happen ever, but id slightly favor Hatton cause of his size. If it was at a catch of 136 or so Id go with Diaz. Diaz may eventually fill out to 140, but right now he has a strong lighweight frame and is at his prime there.

Right, but as I stated the Juans only just hit 24 yrs. of age hes still growing and IMO will eventuall be able to frame out the 140.
As a Lightweight hes pretty build I mean his body frame compared to most Lightweight is slightly bigger.

You know I used to underate Juan a lot but I gotta say the more I see him the more impressed and the more I see him improve in the ring. The kid improved his defense, his combinations keep getting better and better his accuracy is insanely good and the workrate is phenomenal.

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain

juan will have a better chance against the smaller pacman but even in that fight i can't see juan winning cause even though he did look good just now his still pretty basic and his lacking power. he throws a lot of punches but thats not going to work his going to need more then that against the elites.

Well to say that he'll need more then being a pressure fighter to beat the elites is a bit premature IMO.
The reason I say this is because Monzon used to be a pressure fighter and who thought he would beat Nino? This unknown Argentine fighter who had never stepped foot in the US before?
Pryors pressure fighting worked throughout his whole career.
Cottos pressure fighting is working just fine up until now.

Originally Posted by BoomBoom

I wont happen ever, but id slightly favor Hatton cause of his size. If it was at a catch of 136 or so Id go with Diaz. Diaz may eventually fill out to 140, but right now he has a strong lighweight frame and is at his prime there.

Right, but as I stated the Juans only just hit 24 yrs. of age hes still growing and IMO will eventuall be able to frame out the 140.
As a Lightweight hes pretty build I mean his body frame compared to most Lightweight is slightly bigger.

You know I used to underate Juan a lot but I gotta say the more I see him the more impressed and the more I see him improve in the ring. The kid improved his defense, his combinations keep getting better and better his accuracy is insanely good and the workrate is phenomenal.

Juan is just 24, but with his style of fighting he has a chance of flaming out pretty early. I see him getting much better than he is now

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain

juan will have a better chance against the smaller pacman but even in that fight i can't see juan winning cause even though he did look good just now his still pretty basic and his lacking power. he throws a lot of punches but thats not going to work his going to need more then that against the elites.

Well to say that he'll need more then being a pressure fighter to beat the elites is a bit premature IMO.
The reason I say this is because Monzon used to be a pressure fighter and who thought he would beat Nino? This unknown Argentine fighter who had never stepped foot in the US before?
Pryors pressure fighting worked throughout his whole career.
Cottos pressure fighting is working just fine up until now.

Originally Posted by BoomBoom

I wont happen ever, but id slightly favor Hatton cause of his size. If it was at a catch of 136 or so Id go with Diaz. Diaz may eventually fill out to 140, but right now he has a strong lighweight frame and is at his prime there.

Right, but as I stated the Juans only just hit 24 yrs. of age hes still growing and IMO will eventuall be able to frame out the 140.
As a Lightweight hes pretty build I mean his body frame compared to most Lightweight is slightly bigger.

You know I used to underate Juan a lot but I gotta say the more I see him the more impressed and the more I see him improve in the ring. The kid improved his defense, his combinations keep getting better and better his accuracy is insanely good and the workrate is phenomenal.

Juan is just 24, but with his style of fighting he has a chance of flaming out pretty early. I see him getting much better than he is now

That's right he does run that risk.
As the fight started the 2nd round I told my friend here that to me it seemed as Juans pace appeared to me slightly faster then usual.
The thought of him gasing out did cross my mind in the 3rd round. But after that I was certain it wouldn't happen.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain

juan will have a better chance against the smaller pacman but even in that fight i can't see juan winning cause even though he did look good just now his still pretty basic and his lacking power. he throws a lot of punches but thats not going to work his going to need more then that against the elites.

Well to say that he'll need more then being a pressure fighter to beat the elites is a bit premature IMO.
The reason I say this is because Monzon used to be a pressure fighter and who thought he would beat Nino? This unknown Argentine fighter who had never stepped foot in the US before?
Pryors pressure fighting worked throughout his whole career.
Cottos pressure fighting is working just fine up until now.

Originally Posted by BoomBoom

I wont happen ever, but id slightly favor Hatton cause of his size. If it was at a catch of 136 or so Id go with Diaz. Diaz may eventually fill out to 140, but right now he has a strong lighweight frame and is at his prime there.

Right, but as I stated the Juans only just hit 24 yrs. of age hes still growing and IMO will eventuall be able to frame out the 140.
As a Lightweight hes pretty build I mean his body frame compared to most Lightweight is slightly bigger.

You know I used to underate Juan a lot but I gotta say the more I see him the more impressed and the more I see him improve in the ring. The kid improved his defense, his combinations keep getting better and better his accuracy is insanely good and the workrate is phenomenal.

Juan is just 24, but with his style of fighting he has a chance of flaming out pretty early. I see him getting much better than he is now

To be honest as of now I would not bet against him in any fight. I honestly cant complain about a single thing he did tonight or against Frietas and I have no reason to doubt him against anyone... Your right that he has improved. If you watch the fight vs. Cotto his defence is a lot better, and he really is a terrific fighter. Hopefully he will get his respect from the rest of the boxing world. Id rather watch him fight than Mayweather anyday.

its a tough call man. we havent seen juan pitted against a great puncher and we havent seen him hit flush or hurt. its one thing being all that aggressive and i dont bash his style of fight coz i love it myself. but the only adversity i want to see is that how well would he do if he get hurt. how well would he recover after going down? thats really a big ? in his fight resume. i think hatton will hurt him.

Unfortunately, I'd have to give the edge to Diaz in this matchup. The kid just keeps throwing nonstop. It would be a different case if he would tire at some point but in all of the fights I've seen him in, he keeps the same pace. IMO it would take someone with a lot of power to slow his work rate down enough to take the fight.

If Hatton beats Mayweather it would be a huge money fight. And a guaranteed classic.

Am I the only one that realizes that he should really like Juan Diaz, yet wants him to lose to almost everyone he could ever meet I think it is the cheesey golden boy fucking attitude. Mom crying and shit at the fight.....give me a break. Judah might be a pain in teh ass but we dont have to watch his fwocking mom crying or hear about him talkign to the league of women voters.