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    Default One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    I've probably asked this question before, but I'll ask it again. Here is my question, and it concerns primarily throwing straight punches at an opponent, like 1-2 or 1-1-2. I was wondering if you should keep your head centerline when throwing straight punches, or move your head offline.

    Like let's stick with the Jab-Cross. If you throw it with your head on the centerline, you throw a straight Jab with no hip rotation to the right and move in with a Cross, with which you do turn your hip to the left to increase the power of the shot.

    If you throw off centerline, you throw a Jab and move your head to the right and twist your hip to the right to give the Jab power. Then you throw the Cross the same way I mentioned above.

    Here is how I throw my Jab, with the twist of the hip, like the instructor does in the video. (Sorry for the shitty quality of the video)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEg2XP4dfus


    Here is a more on centerline Jab-Cross

    Is the way I do it right?

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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    I think i'd normally leave my head in the centreline but defensively i'd move more than they have shownin this video. I'll just leave that as my opinion though and let a coach give you a more informative answer.

    I do however have more Qs based on your little vid open to anyone who wants to answer.

    1) Since when was the word cross considered slang as opposed to straight right?

    2) I think this is boxing for kickboxing so unlikely to be geared to the same type of movement. Plus i know they need to keep the drills simple.

    Still doesn't it seem odd that the defence even just for the jab alone doesn't involve a step in any direction?

    When it comes to even just a jap with any kind of weight behind it i would always be left off balance trying to parry it without a step.

    3) Isn't it potentially dangerous to over rotate your fist past horizontal on impact?

    I would have just though allowing the thumb to drop too far down would be leaving your wrist and maybe elbow and shoulder in a vulnerable position?

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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    I personally saw nothing WRONG in that video. Seemed fundamentally fine to me.

    With that said, I think 66, you're over-thinking things. The key is to keep your chin down, tuck it in behind the shoulder at the end of the jab, while NOT dropping your other hand while throwing the jab, and to bring the jab hand back nice and high right away.

    If you jab with the left, a lot of times guys will drop the right, and or let the left droop down and come back low and slowly after the punch.

    All this head movement and lines thing you talk about, that's for people who have moved well beyond basics and are now developing their own style.

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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    The main problem Im seeing,is even the jab should have minor hip rotation,its cocking your rear hip for added power that way when you bring your right

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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    Interestingly, the Hips rotation is 6 degrees, not a lot The secret is the Back Foot and Front Shoulder.
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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    So the way the coach in the vids says to rotate the fist beyond horizontal isn't dangerous then?

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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    It helps put the shoulder on the Chin, good Technique. Plus it protects the Thumb
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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    Right good to know thanks Scrap. I've always turned the fist but been paranoid about turning it past horizontal but it's nice to know that's on less thing to worry about!

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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap View Post
    It helps put the shoulder on the Chin, good Technique. Plus it protects the Thumb
    I also find it adds power by preventing one from pushing the punch by helping the elbow come up. Under-rotation leaves the elbow down and power on the table.

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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharla View Post
    Right good to know thanks Scrap. I've always turned the fist but been paranoid about turning it past horizontal but it's nice to know that's on less thing to worry about!
    where you start to see problems is when guys tell you to rotate the fist 90degree past horizontal.

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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    I find if I rotate the fist over horizontal I start leaning to my left which reduces the power dramatically. I think that is much more to do with my baseball days rather than anything else though. SO how much hip does everyone put into their straight rights?
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    The secret is the Back Foot and staying on it. Its the back Foot that generates your power, its your Distance. Pulling your front shoulder Back Keeps you on the Back Foot and moves the opposite shoulder in Balance good Biomechanics, gives Oral stability.
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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    Quote Originally Posted by Von Milash View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sharla View Post
    Right good to know thanks Scrap. I've always turned the fist but been paranoid about turning it past horizontal but it's nice to know that's on less thing to worry about!
    where you start to see problems is when guys tell you to rotate the fist 90degree past horizontal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salty View Post
    I find if I rotate the fist over horizontal I start leaning to my left which reduces the power dramatically. I think that is much more to do with my baseball days rather than anything else though. SO how much hip does everyone put into their straight rights?
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap View Post
    The secret is the Back Foot and staying on it. Its the back Foot that generates your power, its your Distance. Pulling your front shoulder Back Keeps you on the Back Foot and moves the opposite shoulder in Balance good Biomechanics, gives Oral stability.

    So from all this is it stretching it to assume that going too far past horizontal is bad but to be able to do that you would usually be taking too much weight off your rear foot and if you manage to get your weight distribution over your feet correct you won't have to worry about it?

    There will be some kind of natural stop on your shoulder rotation before it goes dangerously or just ineffciently far if your body weight is correct?

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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    The Head doesnt want to be moving forward, when it could meet something coming the other way. When you reach you are not, the chin is still the same difference from your Fist. But the chin isnt where it should be or your defence mechanism.
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    Default Re: One last question, concerning hip rotation with straight punches

    So if you don't let your chin come up you chin stops it from over-rotating then?

    I guess you're more likley to over-ratote your fist and over reach and let your rear foot come off the ground all at once when you are over-reaching?

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