Thread: Could 40 midgets defeat a lion?

You may remember my fascinating and important thread from a couple years ago asking how many 5 year old kids you could kill before being overwhelmed.

Well I found another interesting conundrum online,

BBC NEWS | World | Lion Mutilates 42 Midgets in Cambodian Ring-Fight

The story is fake but its origins are interesting. Two men were having a debate about whether a group of unarmed midgets could take down a lion. To prove his point one of them created a fake article and spread it around the net to fool his friend.


Anyway it's an important question with philosophical relavence so let's have your views.

For those interested here are the views as laid down by the original author


: Join the 'debate': Here are the terms of the fight:

• Fight takes place between 1 full-grown, male African lion and 40 midgets
• The midgets are unarmed (no guns, baseball bats, tasers, etc.)
• The fight takes place in a closed arena (a racquetball court for example)
• Fight is over when either a) the lion is dead, or b) all 40 midgets are dead or unable to fight back (severely wounded)
• Lion is highly agitated, midgets know there's no way out until the lion is dead (they have to fight)
• The midgets are not specially trained to fight (not like the Cambodian fighting ones in the article) but are in average physical and mental health
• The midgets are given 5 minutes before the fight to prepare/strategize

Ok I'm going to go with the lion on this. I can't see how 40 midgets completely unarmed could overcome an adult lion. They would all get torn to shreds as easy as 40 5 year olds against an adult man.

IF the midgets were totally fearless and oblivious to their own lives and could sacrifce themselves happily in an effort to overwhelm the lion then maybe they could throw themselves on it and beat it to death, but in a real world setting I just think they would scared shitless and get butchered real fast.

Yeah, it's really hard to say that there is much they could do unarmed... I think even at the most they could all try jumping on the Lion at once to try to subdue it, but I think even that the Lion would still be able to move and shake some of them off..

Another part is that the Lion would obviously have a hard time and would take a while to attack and put all 40 of them out of action, but what can the midgets really do to the Lion? Maybe while it's attacking 2 or 3 of them, another couple could try breaking one of it's legs or holding onto it's tail for dear life to annoy and distract while others try to do something..

I'll tell you this, even with 39 friends of mine, I still would not want to be 1 of the 40 midgets when the Lion is released upon us.. Maybe you could try ripping one of it's eyes out or something or even both if your lucky, but they could probably still kill out of instinct and smell etc..

It's something you'd just have to see to really get an idea of how it would go, but I probably doubt I would want to see it..

Midgets easy...they are fighting for their life. Mindset is a massive equaliser. They have to fight or they will die simple as.

If you put someone with chuck liddells ability in with someone who's wife he wants to rape and who's child he wants to kill but has had no formal training. Don't count out the little fella, the mindset is there that he's fighting for his wifes life and that of his childs, the other guy is fighting just because he wants to rape someone.

Not sure i'm making myself clear.

If you had marine trained midgets the lion is in for a bad day

Ever seen the clips of the giant hornet taking honeybees apart but when they work as a team the hornet gets fucked in a big way.

The lion easily, it would be a massacre. Simply the torque those little arms and legs can create is close to nothing which the lion can come up with. Their only chance to beat it is to crush it to death, even then they probably don't weigh enough. Sorry to say but the midgets would be taken out very quickly.

Have they time to plan? if so they could win., some would die until one mighty midget got around the back climbed up and wrapped the mane around his hands and ate through the side of his neck into his aorta or jugular vien. Anyone caught face on takes his eyes out as first priority etc.One midget one leg each asap. eyes out,kick or head but lions balls from the back.

I have this picture.




Lion wins if the midgets are just thrown in with one.

Originally Posted by Andre

Have they time to plan? if so they could win., some would die until one mighty midget got around the back climbed up and wrapped the mane around his hands and ate through the side of his neck into his aorta or jugular vien. Anyone caught face on takes his eyes out as first priority etc.One midget one leg each asap. eyes out,kick or head but lions balls from the back.

I have this picture.




Lion wins if the midgets are just thrown in with one.

Read the rules above Andre, the midgets are given 5 minutes pre fight to strategise.

I'm actually leaning in favour of the midgets now to be honest. I mean we are assuming the lion would race through them killing them as quickly and efficiently as possible but that might not be the case. All fights between lions and adult humans of normal size on youtube involve the lion fighting over his prey with other humans.

I think he would kill one midget easily but then be trying to eat him whilst the others crowd around him. If whilst he's trying to rip of the limbs of one little fella the others are jumping on his back and bringing him down the lion would likely get scared and be mentally beaten.

Interesting subject. One of those where you really have to stop and think, because you know your life cannot really be complete before a thorough answer to this philosophical dilemma is contemplated.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

IF the midgets were totally fearless and oblivious to their own lives and could sacrifce themselves happily in an effort to overwhelm the lion then maybe they could throw themselves on it and beat it to death, but in a real world setting I just think they would scared shitless and get butchered real fast.

It's a bit weird to use the concept 'real world setting' to a hypothetical situation revolving around 40 midgets in a ring. Anyway, I think you are wrong. I think 20 midgets would be able to defeat the lion, if working properly together, and while _that_ is unlikely to happen right away, wouldnt it start to happen when the little fellows see what became of their friends?

I mean, at the point where the 20 guys next to me were all smashed to pieces, I'd probably not fancy my chances staying still and doing nothing either.

Last year an Australian girl was nearly killed necause her hair was mistaken for a lion's mane when she visited the lions while on holiday in Africa. The lion grabbed her from behind and just wanted to play with her - not even trying to attack her, was not angry or aggitated or exerting itself but in a split second did SERIOUS damage.

I'd vote against the midgets and probably even 40 adult humans surviving without any weapons or tools but if they have a rope or some basic tools even if they are not traditional weapons i think they might make it through. Definately not all of them but a few.

Originally Posted by Sharla

Last year an Australian girl was nearly killed necause her hair was mistaken for a lion's mane when she visited the lions while on holiday in Africa. The lion grabbed her from behind and just wanted to play with her - not even trying to attack her, was not angry or aggitated or exerting itself but in a split second did SERIOUS damage.

I'd vote against the midgets and probably even 40 adult humans surviving without any weapons or tools but if they have a rope or some basic tools even if they are not traditional weapons i think they might make it through. Definately not all of them but a few.

Thats crazy. 40 adult humans would result in a serious Lion massacre. Fighting for their lives?

It would be over within 3 minutes.

Originally Posted by Munkymagic

Originally Posted by Sharla

Last year an Australian girl was nearly killed necause her hair was mistaken for a lion's mane when she visited the lions while on holiday in Africa. The lion grabbed her from behind and just wanted to play with her - not even trying to attack her, was not angry or aggitated or exerting itself but in a split second did SERIOUS damage.

I'd vote against the midgets and probably even 40 adult humans surviving without any weapons or tools but if they have a rope or some basic tools even if they are not traditional weapons i think they might make it through. Definately not all of them but a few.

Thats crazy. 40 adult humans would result in a serious Lion massacre. Fighting for their lives?

It would be over within 3 minutes.

But that lion is also fighting for his life, he's also has the handy accessory of built in weapons (claws and teeth) which we do not possess. The lion would have a very decent chance of killing 40 fully grown unarmed adults, they are rather big animals after all.

Depends on the midgets and the lion. There are too many key facts missing to make an informed judgment.

Originally Posted by Von Milash

Depends on the midgets and the lion. There are too many key facts missing to make an informed judgment.

Good point, I think 40 Verne Troyer's would get massacred in seconds but 40 Wee Man's would probably torture that beast and then get Steve-0 to stick his cock and nutsack in its jaws for a laugh

Originally Posted by Andre

Have they time to plan? if so they could win., some would die until one mighty midget got around the back climbed up and wrapped the mane around his hands and ate through the side of his neck into his aorta or jugular vien. Anyone caught face on takes his eyes out as first priority etc.One midget one leg each asap. eyes out,kick or head but lions balls from the back.

I have this picture.




Lion wins if the midgets are just thrown in with one.

A couple midgets could easily sink their teeth into the lions testicles and chew them off. That would have a disabling effect.

I agree with Munky. If the midgets are of the mindset it's kill or be killed they are odds on to win bigtime.

The lion wont be able to kill enough before being overwhelmed and grounded.

The lion will definitely tap when his goolies get it. Fact.