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    Default De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    Oscar De La Hoya speaks for the first time publicly on the defeat.

    Original article taken from Michael Rosenthal at De La Hoya: I wanted him to 'knock me out'

    Oscar De La Hoya was too embarrassed to show his face in the weeks following the stunning beating he took from Manny Pacquiao on Dec. 6 in Las Vegas. He has spent his time with his family, mostly in Puerto Rico, pondering what happened that strange night and what the future might hold.

    Now, more than two months later, he is willing for the first time to talk publicly – and candidly – about his unusual weight issues leading up to the fight, the beating itself and his plans.

    A bit overwhelmed by the decision he faces, he said he’s leaning toward retirement but hasn’t made up his mind.

    De La Hoya said he knew he was in trouble from the opening bell and felt helpless in the seventh and penultimate round, when Pacquiao, too quick and too good, battered him so mercilessly that he had to grab the upper rope to remain upright.

    At one point in the seventh, he said, he hoped Pacquiao would knock him out because “I felt like my hands were tied behind my back.”

    “That’s where I thought, ‘Go ahead (Manny) and land something strong and hard right on the button so you can knock me out and take me out of my misery.’ That’s how I felt at the moment.”

    Going into the fight, such a thing was unthinkable. De La Hoya, a future Hall of Famer who had never taken a bad beating in the ring, was deemed by most experts too big and strong for a fighter who started his career as a flyweight.

    However, it became clear that something was amiss when he gained only two pounds between the weigh-in Friday and fight time. Pacquiao actually outweighed De La Hoya, a one-time middleweight who was fighting at 147 pounds for the first time since 2001.

    Most observers point to De La Hoya’s high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet as the culprit. He was below 147 more than a month before the fight when typically a fighter weighs much more than the limit, tapers down as the fight approaches and then regains some weight after the weigh in.

    De La Hoya, 36, remains baffled by the weight issues but said there were times, looking back, when he didn’t eat as much as he should have and now wonders whether he consumed too much protein and not enough carbs.

    He also likened himself to Roy Jones Jr. and Chris Byrd, two other aging fighters who tried to drop down in weight, were depleted come fight time and were unable to perform as they hoped they would.

    “I just don’t understand it,” said De La Hoya, who refuses to blame fitness trainer Rob Garcia (as some have) or anyone else. “… I almost hit 141 a month before the fight. It was really mind boggling to me. Now, thinking about it, it obviously had to play a role in what happened.

    “I have to admit that I wanted to prove I could make 147 pounds, that I could be light and still feel good and strong, so there were times I didn’t eat as much as I should have. I did come in too light and it was a huge mistake.

    “A fighter should only be at weight for the five minutes of the weigh in,” he continued. “That’s an advantage I gave away, the strength and size advantage. I should’ve gained six, seven pounds.”

    Still, De La Hoya said he felt fine physically when he stepped into the ring. It was after the opening bell, when the fighters started throwing punches and “I felt like I was walking in quicksand,” that he knew it could be a long night.

    He said he has watched a tape of the fight more than a dozen times and still can’t believe he was so outclassed.

    “Once the (opening) bell rang, I believe I threw a left hook to his body,” De La Hoya said. “He made a noise like, ‘That really hurt.’ After that, he was wide open, there for me to hit. I just couldn’t do anything. Right there I started feeling like, ‘Wow, this doesn’t feel the same; I don’t feel like myself.

    “Then, when he started landing punches at will, something happened in my mind. It was as if I said to myself, ‘You know what, it’s just not going to happen tonight. I felt as if he could just land anything and I couldn’t do anything about it.

    “It kind of felt like I just didn’t care because I couldn’t do anything about it. … Luckily, he didn’t hit hard. If he did, he would have knocked me out no problem.”

    The seventh round was the most dramatic. Pacquiao landed at will the entire fight but raised his level of intensity that round, battering the proud six-weight-class world titleholder against the ropes as the crowd sat stunned.

    That’s when De La Hoya grabbed the rope and wished to himself that Pacquiao would finish the job.

    “I couldn’t throw (punches) back,” he said, “I just couldn’t throw back. In my mind, I saw openings. I thought Manny Pacquiao was there for the taking but I just couldn’t throw back.

    “I don’t know. Freddie Roach [Pacquiao’s trainer] was sure … that I couldn’t pull the trigger any more. I guess he was right.”

    After the eighth round, in which De La Hoya continued to take punishment, it became obvious that he had a decision to make: Do I continue to take a beating in front of a sell-out crowd and millions of viewers on television or do what no fighter ever wants to do: quit.

    De La Hoya’s decision? He didn’t make one.

    “I was sitting there in the corner,” he said. “… A fighter always wants to continue; that’s the bottom line. A fighter always wants to continue; a fighter is always proud. But I had my brother (Joel) there. I could hear my wife Millie. I could see (Golden Boy Promotions CEO) Richard (Schaefer) with a white towel in my corner ready to throw it in.

    “After seeing all that, when the referee is asking, ‘Can you continue? Can you continue?’ I just wasn’t responsive. I left it up to my corner. I guess the actions of my brother and everyone else was enough so the ref stopped it.

    “I just froze,” he continued. “If they would’ve told me to continue, obviously, I would’ve continued to take my beating. … It’s difficult to quit, especially when you’re a fighter. You can’t quit. It’s the last thing on your mind. I just felt, ‘You know what, it’s fine if I continue to take my beating here.’ Like I said, I’m probably lucky he didn’t hit hard. It could’ve been a lot worse.”

    De La Hoya had said repeatedly beforehand that “I HAVE to win this fight,” implying that to do otherwise against such a naturally small man – even one with incredible talent – would be humiliating.

    As we know, that’s exactly what happened. He had withstood the strength and fury of such opponents as Ike Quartey, Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas but was rendered helpless by a man who had fought at 130 pounds only two fights earlier.

    And it happened in front of the world. After the opening bell and before the fight ended, he had no place to hide.

    “It was devastating,” he said. “I’m over it now but it was devastating. I was embarrassed. That was the worst part of it, the embarrassment. It was hard for me the first couple of weeks to show my face anywhere. I just didn’t know how people would react to me. When I started running into people, though, random people in the street or when I played golf somewhere, they’re telling me, ‘Hey champ. You’re still the champ. You’ve done so much. One fight doesn’t make you or break you.’

    “I was like, ‘Wow.’ It makes you feel good. It doesn’t erase everything that happened that night but it gives you back your dignity.

    “ … I kept telling myself that some of the greatest fighters ever ended up taking a beating at the end of their careers, like Leonard, Ali, even Tyson. That gave me reassurance in an odd way. I thought, “If they went out that way, then maybe it’s not so bad. I can keep my head up.”

    Now what?

    De La Hoya said most of those closest to him are urging him to retire. Others, including his father, Joel Sr., are insisting that he wasn’t himself that night and should continue fighting at a heavier weight.

    He said he’s leaning toward retirement but goes back and forth.

    “It’s been a very confusing few months,” he said. “I haven’t been able to come up with a definitive answer. I’m still not set on what I want to do. … It’s difficult to accept on one hand that my career could be over but that I could also just decide to fight again. … I can understand fighters not wanting to retire because of the love of the game. That’s what I’m feeling now. I love boxing, although I’m in an unusual position. I have something to fall back on and can still be involved in boxing. I’m talking about Golden Boy Promotions.

    “I’ve been married to boxing since I was 5 years old, though. It’s hard to break away from it. … I’m going to continue to think about. I hope that one day I wake up and have that answer. And I’m hoping sooner than later. Obviously, the last fight said a lot … that maybe I just turned old over night. I never would’ve thought that would happen to me. That’s why I’m learning toward retirement. My closest ones are telling me to retire. But then you have all the questions that you have to answer and other opinions.

    “People say, ‘Look what Shane did (against Antonio Margarito). Look what Bernard (Hopkins) did (against Kelly Pavlik). Maybe it was just Pacquaio’s style. You think, ‘Well, what if I fought a guy like Margarito, who will be right in front of me and easy to hit?

    “There’s a lot to think about.”
    Last edited by JazMerkin; 02-20-2009 at 11:34 PM.

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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    I think he comes out of that very well, very honest, & doesn't try to gloss it over & blame others. Surprised that he gave such a deep interview on it, but credit to him for that.

    Well, I'm guessing the Pac-fans will mob this thread now

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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    Wow, that was as honest as anyone could be. Pure class from Oscar. I kinda feel for him cause that has to be one of the hardest things hes had to deal with and I think hes smart for taking time to think things over and let it sink in. I hope he does realize that that one fight doesnt define him and he was an excellent fighter and champion. Hats off to him.
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    All due respect to Oscar for his honesty here, but someone has to take the blame for being 141lb 1 month before the fight!!
    Now i am no expert in this field as i am trying to lose my own soft belly, but my personal trainer tells me all the time to balance things out and do not try and lose to much weight to quickly. Oscar De La Hoya has been a professional boxer for 14 years! He has had access to the best trainers, dietitians and medical people money can buy, how did this happen? Who was advising him? did he listen to them? Something is not right about this and i cannot believe that someone with the experience of De La Hoya who we all know trains exceptionally hard and is a dedicated figter allowed this to happen and cause him to lose in such an embarrasing fashion.

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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    Quote Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN View Post
    All due respect to Oscar for his honesty here, but someone has to take the blame for being 141lb 1 month before the fight!!
    Now i am no expert in this field as i am trying to lose my own soft belly, but my personal trainer tells me all the time to balance things out and do not try and lose to much weight to quickly. Oscar De La Hoya has been a professional boxer for 14 years! He has had access to the best trainers, dietitians and medical people money can buy, how did this happen? Who was advising him? did he listen to them? Something is not right about this and i cannot believe that someone with the experience of De La Hoya who we all know trains exceptionally hard and is a dedicated figter allowed this to happen and cause him to lose in such an embarrasing fashion.
    I think that he wasnt taking in enough carbs and his body didnt have much to burn. Not enough fuel, which im sure contributed to him not being able to do anything in the fight. I think every fighter has a weight that if you go below, your garbage, and I think that weight for Oscar is 150. Anything below that is a danger zone. Im also surprised that his nutritionist didnt make sure he was at around 155 up to about two weeks before the fight. He peaked way too early imo and then crashed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoom View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN View Post
    All due respect to Oscar for his honesty here, but someone has to take the blame for being 141lb 1 month before the fight!!
    Now i am no expert in this field as i am trying to lose my own soft belly, but my personal trainer tells me all the time to balance things out and do not try and lose to much weight to quickly. Oscar De La Hoya has been a professional boxer for 14 years! He has had access to the best trainers, dietitians and medical people money can buy, how did this happen? Who was advising him? did he listen to them? Something is not right about this and i cannot believe that someone with the experience of De La Hoya who we all know trains exceptionally hard and is a dedicated figter allowed this to happen and cause him to lose in such an embarrasing fashion.
    I think that he wasnt taking in enough carbs and his body didnt have much to burn. Not enough fuel, which im sure contributed to him not being able to do anything in the fight. I think every fighter has a weight that if you go below, your garbage, and I think that weight for Oscar is 150. Anything below that is a danger zone. Im also surprised that his nutritionist didnt make sure he was at around 155 up to about two weeks before the fight. He peaked way too early imo and then crashed.
    I agree, getting down to 141lb a month before the fight is simply crazy considering he has been fighting at 154-160lb for 7 years. Something went horribly wrong and really you have to point the finger at Oscar himself, surely someone was telling him this, nutrionists, medico's etc, my guess is he ignored their advice and paid the penalty.

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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    Not to take anything away from Pac, because we all know the guy is a monster, but that was a weightdrained Oscar that night. I can't believe he was 141lbs a month before the fight.

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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    Was smart for him to stay on the stool and call it a night, or a career w/e.

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    A very honest interview indeed. I was one of the few who actually could have cared less about that fight in the 1st place. The only thing that it was good for was a springboard for Pacquiao. I believe Oscars pride will keep him in the game a little while longer because I am pretty sure he does not want to be remembered for that fight even though he has accomplished so much in his career. The rumor has it that a possible J.C Chavez JR. fight might be on the horizon. That might be a good going out fight for the old dog (Oscar) or we welcome the next generation much like the way Oscar beat Juniors old man over a decade ago.

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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    That was a good, candid interview. I know I get on his case sometimes, but props to him for being so open.

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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    Not surprising to see a candid interview from a class guy like Oscar. I just hope he retires now. He has been a great ambassador for boxing and a great warrior/champion in the ring. Too many hang around too long.

    I am a bit surprised to hear him relate how tough it was to swallow. Afterall it was him that beat the great Julio Ceasar Chavez into retirement.
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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

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    I agree with Oscar... it's embarassing...


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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    I think he comes out of that very well, very honest, & doesn't try to gloss it over & blame others. Surprised that he gave such a deep interview on it, but credit to him for that.

    Well, I'm guessing the Pac-fans will mob this thread now
    There's a little bit of the boxer's bravado there. He doesn't attribute anything to what Manny did right, but rather what he did wrong. The truth is Oscar may have been in trouble even if his game may have been off. He said Manny grunted from a left hook in the first? Then why was Manny a punching machine throughout the fight? I'll buy Oscar's weight being an issue, but that is only half the equation. Manny was severely underestimated.
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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    I dunno the article was ok, nothing wrong in what he said but I still sense the narcisissim and self importance of the man. He just comes across to me as a man who simply loves to talk about himself.

    He'll go into great depths and be very outwardly humble and even agree with Freddie in that 'I can't pull the trigger any more' but he explains things in such a ways as to assume we will all go 'Ah the great Oscar, see how humble and dignified he is.......'

    It honestly wouldn't suprise me much if he actually does own a solid gold halo, custom made with his name engraved on it, and that he polishes and wears at home.

    I can picture him in a white toga, obviously with golden thread and stitching, reclining on a lounger by his beautiful indoor pool, halo in place, Millie, lying in a lounger next to him resplendent looking in a beautiful Cleopatra type outfit both with hand servants massaging their feet and feeding them grapes whilst a few disciples recite the from the De La Hoya autobiography: American Son, My Story.

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    Default Re: De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    I dunno the article was ok, nothing wrong in what he said but I still sense the narcisissim and self importance of the man. He just comes across to me as a man who simply loves to talk about himself.

    He'll go into great depths and be very outwardly humble and even agree with Freddie in that 'I can't pull the trigger any more' but he explains things in such a ways as to assume we will all go 'Ah the great Oscar, see how humble and dignified he is.......'

    It honestly wouldn't suprise me much if he actually does own a solid gold halo, custom made with his name engraved on it, and that he polishes and wears at home.

    I can picture him in a white toga, obviously with golden thread and stitching, reclining on a lounger by his beautiful indoor pool, halo in place, Millie, lying in a lounger next to him resplendent looking in a beautiful Cleopatra type outfit both with hand servants massaging their feet and feeding them grapes whilst a few disciples recite the from the De La Hoya autobiography: American Son, My Story.

    Funny stuff, Mr Baggins!

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