Thread: PBF fans go at it with sports writer...

I loved the article, esp the part about shane and pbf.

" When Mayweather won his 130-pound title in ‘98, hardcore fans began talking about the prospect of Mayweather and Mosley fighting at 135 pounds. What really sparked the discussion was a split among the boxing press as to who deserved to be the Fighter of the Year for 1998. THE RING went with Mayweather, who beat Hernandez for the title and defended it against Angel Manfred (TKO 2). The Boxing Writers Association of America went with Mosley, who defended his lightweight title five times, all by stoppage (including the likes of John-John Molina and James Leija). So from that point (in early ’99) it was natural for the boxing media and the fans to debate who would win if they fought (and for the record, I was leaning towards Mayweather), however, there were NO serious discussions about this fight."


Dougie's MASSIVE Mosley-Mayweather mailbag

Wow that guy comes across as retardedly as I do... Man, I hate mirrors, but at least I get things right. This Boogie guy is a waste of oxygen.

Nice Post! I read through that whole thing and I usually cannot stand reading "mailbags."

I actually want to see if anyone on this forum would want to challenge or throw a rebuttal for what Doug Fischer said about Mosley not really ducking Floyd a couple years ago. Any takers? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I really want to know if anyone else has any proof that this happened.

Originally Posted by C-Lo

Nice Post! I read through that whole thing and I usually cannot stand reading "mailbags."

I actually want to see if anyone on this forum would want to challenge or throw a rebuttal for what Doug Fischer said about Mosley not really ducking Floyd a couple years ago. Any takers? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I really want to know if anyone else has any proof that this happened.

yep me too..and it makes more sense than any of the speculative opinions given by supporters of each fighter. Lucky for me they're both in my top 5 fav. So I don't believe either ducked the other. Although right now it looks as if PBF is doing little weaving.

Good read. Don't agree with all the points, but entertaining nonetheless.

I think Mosley is an honest guy. He said years ago he was not ready to fight margarito, when he was ask would he turn down 8million like floyd did to fight margarito.

I dont think mosley ducks fighters, he just honestly puts it out there who he thinks his ready for and who he thinks his not ready for yet.

When he got ready for margarito, we all saw him open up a can of whoop ass

Looks like his ready for floyd anytime now and hopefully he opens up another can of whoop ass with extra extra spice

I think the word ducked is overused, I think fighters chase the biggest fights possible. Honestly Mayweather is returning after 17months off? I don't think he should be fighting Mosley or Pacquiao. IMO taking Marquez is a huge risk, and I think he could be more dangerous than Mosley for Mayweather, because even though he isn't physically faster, IMO when timing and everything is put into play he is faster than Mosley(IMO his handspeed is the same if not faster), Marquez definitely is the better boxer, he actually has a jab, he's a vastly superior counter puncher to Mosley, the only two things he has going against him in comparison to Shane is inferior durability(I think this is a big concern, but Mayweather doesn't hit as hard as Pacquiao and JMM handled Pacquiao's power, for the most part, pretty well). The second is size, and Mayweather doesn't really use size to his advantage, and Mosley will only have an advantage with this when he would have Mayweather on the ropes because in the middle of the ring I think Mayweather would pick Mosley apart, whereas I am not so sure of that against Marquez.

Originally Posted by C-Lo

Nice Post! I read through that whole thing and I usually cannot stand reading "mailbags."

I actually want to see if anyone on this forum would want to challenge or throw a rebuttal for what Doug Fischer said about Mosley not really ducking Floyd a couple years ago. Any takers? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I really want to know if anyone else has any proof that this happened.

Well, how can you prove Mosley ducked PBF if he wouldn't go into negotiations? Its just like saying "I want someone to prove PBF is ducking Mosley right now." Them not fighting is no proof at all. I am a die hard Mosley fan and believe me I remember vividly that Mosley was called out by PBF before Mosley left lightweight. I remember Mosley saying that the fight isn't right because PBF isn't a big enough draw. And I remember Mosley throwing out a crazy number to fight PBF as a counter. And I know people have to remember the most recent one when Mosley said he had to get his teeth fixed as to why he wasn't interested in fighting PBF. Mosley is my favorite fighter of all time but I am not going to be a bias fight fan. The truth is the truth and fans and haters of certain fighters just suppress the truth if its not what they want to hear. I am a boxing fan first and an honest one even if its a fighter I favor. Of course, most fans aren't about the truth they just want their reality to be what everyone else thinks. But now I think PBF is looking like he doesn't want Mosley. It could be ducking for easier money or whatever but PBF has not fought the fighters he should if he is going to campaign at 147. After JMM, PBF needs to fight Cotto/Clottey winner or Mosley. Otherwise, go down in weight.

How is mayweather ducking MOsley? Mosley hasn't deserved a rematch until maybe his fight with Margarito, even then IMO people should be talking about Mosley fighting COtto who beat him, and not about Mosley facing Mayweather. I honestly think everything will play out, but I don't think by the time MAyweather finished fighting Marquez and Pacquiao that Mosley will be on top of the welterweight division anymore. I see Cotto beating Mosley again, and I see other guys doing it to (P. Williams and Berto if he actually boxes)

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

I loved the article, esp the part about shane and pbf.

" When Mayweather won his 130-pound title in ‘98, hardcore fans began talking about the prospect of Mayweather and Mosley fighting at 135 pounds. What really sparked the discussion was a split among the boxing press as to who deserved to be the Fighter of the Year for 1998. THE RING went with Mayweather, who beat Hernandez for the title and defended it against Angel Manfred (TKO 2). The Boxing Writers Association of America went with Mosley, who defended his lightweight title five times, all by stoppage (including the likes of John-John Molina and James Leija). So from that point (in early ’99) it was natural for the boxing media and the fans to debate who would win if they fought (and for the record, I was leaning towards Mayweather), however, there were NO serious discussions about this fight."


Dougie's MASSIVE Mosley-Mayweather mailbag

I think this guy is not credible. He was rebutting everyone he disagreed with by saying they are bias but he was not even realizing how bias he was leaning. I am a major Mosley fan but that guy was just flat out closed minded. He belittled PBF's victory over Corrales, who was still fighting at that weight and beat everyone else, by saying he was weight drained. Hmmm, didn't Pac get a victory over someone who hadn't made 147 in many years? Basically, the guy was breaking down everything good PBF has actually done and tried to convince people it was nothing.

Originally Posted by Taeth

How is mayweather ducking MOsley? Mosley hasn't deserved a rematch until maybe his fight with Margarito, even then IMO people should be talking about Mosley fighting COtto who beat him, and not about Mosley facing Mayweather. I honestly think everything will play out, but I don't think by the time MAyweather finished fighting Marquez and Pacquiao that Mosley will be on top of the welterweight division anymore. I see Cotto beating Mosley again, and I see other guys doing it to (P. Williams and Berto if he actually boxes)

I personally don't think PBF is ducking Mosley but I think if he wins against JMM then he should fight Cotto or Mosley. He wants to fight at 147 then he should fight 147 pounders. Otherwise, he should go down in weight which he easily could. He already weighs less than 147. But what I really think is that PBF is going to go after Mosley. He said he had a hit list and he has never liked Mosley much.

Originally Posted by blegit

Originally Posted by Taeth

How is mayweather ducking MOsley? Mosley hasn't deserved a rematch until maybe his fight with Margarito, even then IMO people should be talking about Mosley fighting COtto who beat him, and not about Mosley facing Mayweather. I honestly think everything will play out, but I don't think by the time MAyweather finished fighting Marquez and Pacquiao that Mosley will be on top of the welterweight division anymore. I see Cotto beating Mosley again, and I see other guys doing it to (P. Williams and Berto if he actually boxes)

I personally don't think PBF is ducking Mosley but I think if he wins against JMM then he should fight Cotto or Mosley. He wants to fight at 147 then he should fight 147 pounders. Otherwise, he should go down in weight which he easily could. He already weighs less than 147. But what I really think is that PBF is going to go after Mosley. He said he had a hit list and he has never liked Mosley much.

Funny you say that, as I think they actually do get on, I don't think its like Floyd & Oscar. I think this almost pre-promotion for if they fight after the JMM fight assuming Floyd wins. Shane was talking before the Marquez-Diaz fight about how he'd talked to Floyd about them fighting but that Floyd wanted to be in the ring sooner that Shane was planning to be ready for, so he would wait on the Hatton-Pacquiao winner instead. I do wish Shane would fight Williams though, fact is if Mayweather is 'ducking' Shane, Shane is ducking Williams (don't believe any of them are).

On the article, I have long thought Dougie Fischer is a complete dick & just abuses anyone who disagrees with him & often completely ducks points he doesn't like, almost reminds me of Moono in a weird way. The bit I think is a joke is where he says Margarito wasn't afraid to fight anyone... well, duh, he had f***in plaster in his gloves

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by blegit

Originally Posted by Taeth

How is mayweather ducking MOsley? Mosley hasn't deserved a rematch until maybe his fight with Margarito, even then IMO people should be talking about Mosley fighting COtto who beat him, and not about Mosley facing Mayweather. I honestly think everything will play out, but I don't think by the time MAyweather finished fighting Marquez and Pacquiao that Mosley will be on top of the welterweight division anymore. I see Cotto beating Mosley again, and I see other guys doing it to (P. Williams and Berto if he actually boxes)

I personally don't think PBF is ducking Mosley but I think if he wins against JMM then he should fight Cotto or Mosley. He wants to fight at 147 then he should fight 147 pounders. Otherwise, he should go down in weight which he easily could. He already weighs less than 147. But what I really think is that PBF is going to go after Mosley. He said he had a hit list and he has never liked Mosley much.

Funny you say that, as I think they actually do get on, I don't think its like Floyd & Oscar. I think this almost pre-promotion for if they fight after the JMM fight assuming Floyd wins. Shane was talking before the Marquez-Diaz fight about how he'd talked to Floyd about them fighting but that Floyd wanted to be in the ring sooner that Shane was planning to be ready for, so he would wait on the Hatton-Pacquiao winner instead. I do wish Shane would fight Williams though, fact is if Mayweather is 'ducking' Shane, Shane is ducking Williams (don't believe any of them are).

On the article, I have long thought Dougie Fischer is a complete dick & just abuses anyone who disagrees with him & often completely ducks points he doesn't like, almost reminds me of Moono in a weird way. The bit I think is a joke is where he says Margarito wasn't afraid to fight anyone... well, duh, he had f***in plaster in his gloves

You're right. When I read that I was like this dude is getting less credible as I read on. That was such a dumb thing to say, especially using it as a fact to back him up, knowing what we know now. Laughable.

Originally Posted by blegit

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by blegit

I personally don't think PBF is ducking Mosley but I think if he wins against JMM then he should fight Cotto or Mosley. He wants to fight at 147 then he should fight 147 pounders. Otherwise, he should go down in weight which he easily could. He already weighs less than 147. But what I really think is that PBF is going to go after Mosley. He said he had a hit list and he has never liked Mosley much.

Funny you say that, as I think they actually do get on, I don't think its like Floyd & Oscar. I think this almost pre-promotion for if they fight after the JMM fight assuming Floyd wins. Shane was talking before the Marquez-Diaz fight about how he'd talked to Floyd about them fighting but that Floyd wanted to be in the ring sooner that Shane was planning to be ready for, so he would wait on the Hatton-Pacquiao winner instead. I do wish Shane would fight Williams though, fact is if Mayweather is 'ducking' Shane, Shane is ducking Williams (don't believe any of them are).

On the article, I have long thought Dougie Fischer is a complete dick & just abuses anyone who disagrees with him & often completely ducks points he doesn't like, almost reminds me of Moono in a weird way. The bit I think is a joke is where he says Margarito wasn't afraid to fight anyone... well, duh, he had f***in plaster in his gloves

You're right. When I read that I was like this dude is getting less credible as I read on. That was such a dumb thing to say, especially using it as a fact to back him up, knowing what we know now. Laughable.

And yet somehow this guy seems to be the pre-eminent writer on the site

Originally Posted by blegit

Originally Posted by C-Lo

Nice Post! I read through that whole thing and I usually cannot stand reading "mailbags."

I actually want to see if anyone on this forum would want to challenge or throw a rebuttal for what Doug Fischer said about Mosley not really ducking Floyd a couple years ago. Any takers? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I really want to know if anyone else has any proof that this happened.

Well, how can you prove Mosley ducked PBF if he wouldn't go into negotiations? Its just like saying "I want someone to prove PBF is ducking Mosley right now." Them not fighting is no proof at all. I am a die hard Mosley fan and believe me I remember vividly that Mosley was called out by PBF before Mosley left lightweight. I remember Mosley saying that the fight isn't right because PBF isn't a big enough draw. And I remember Mosley throwing out a crazy number to fight PBF as a counter. And I know people have to remember the most recent one when Mosley said he had to get his teeth fixed as to why he wasn't interested in fighting PBF. Mosley is my favorite fighter of all time but I am not going to be a bias fight fan. The truth is the truth and fans and haters of certain fighters just suppress the truth if its not what they want to hear. I am a boxing fan first and an honest one even if its a fighter I favor. Of course, most fans aren't about the truth they just want their reality to be what everyone else thinks. But now I think PBF is looking like he doesn't want Mosley. It could be ducking for easier money or whatever but PBF has not fought the fighters he should if he is going to campaign at 147. After JMM, PBF needs to fight Cotto/Clottey winner or Mosley. Otherwise, go down in weight.

You're absolutely right, Fischer had no hard evidence that Shane never ducked Floyd. But being that he's supposedly a "boxing expert" and "close to both camps" at the time, I think his word has more substance that people who speculated Shance ducking Floyd back then.

I believe the term "ducking" gets thrown around like hotcakes. Fighters assess the situation, then take the best possible decision. When someone is on the radar but then eventually doesn't get the fight, people already label them with being ducked. I think when someone, ESPECIALLY, in an interview is asked about a specific fighter and a bizzarre reason or excuse that can be easily be disproved is given, it starts to enter the realm of "ACTUAL ducking." Especially, if the person is a big name fighter. I personally start to dislike fighters when they don't challenge themselves and as his career has panned out, Floyd is losing more and more respect from me.

I think you can make a case for Mayweather ducking Mosley right now. When asked about him, he said "Shane has 5 loses." With the exception of Ricky Hatton this is what Floyd's last 5 opponent's loss column looked like at the time he fought them: De La Hoya had 5 losses, Baldomir had 10, Judah had 4, Mitchell had lost 5, and Gatti had 7. The current fighter he will mix it up with has 4 losses. How is Shane with 5 losses different from his recent competition in the aspect of why Floyd said he wouldn't fight him?

Also, the fact that he said "Shane isn't a PPV draw." I know Shane isn't one of the "cash cows" of the fight game but he's sure a bigger draw than Marquez.