Thread: My Top 30 p4p

well someone asked me for my top 30 p4p and well so far i have up to #17, i know that not everyone will agree but hell barely anyone ever agrees fully with anyone's p4p list, i'll put the fighter's name and why he should have the position

#1 Manny Pacquiao - He's been on a roll as of late, with wins over Morales (twice by TKO), Barrera (twice, TKO and UD), two close fights with Marquez, TKO wins over DLH (even though he was weight drained) and a solid Ricky Hatton, all these fights are ranging from 126 to 147

#2 Juan Manuel Marquez - The current Lineal Lightweight champion, he had two close fights against Pacquiao (draw and a SD loss) which many believe he won, plus back to back KO wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz, in his only two fights at 135

#3 Bernard Hopkins - A long-time Undisputed Middleweight champion, with wins over John David Jackson, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Robert Allen (twice, and one NC), Antwun Echols (twice), Felix Trinidad, William Joppy, Oscar De La Hoya, and Howard Eastman, with two controversial losses to Jermaine Taylor, he moved up to Light Heavyweight, and earned back to back wins against Tarver and Wright, throw in a close loss against Calzaghe (many believe B-Hop won), topped by a dominate upset win against the then undefeated Kelly Pavlik

#4 Shane Mosley - Dominated and crushed the then labeled "Man" at 147 in Margarito to win the WBC Welterweight title, and did so against high odds, had a very lackluster showing in the fight before against Mayorga, he did all of this at the age of 37

#5 Miguel Cotto - A former Jr. Welterweight champion, a 2 time Welterweight champion, with back to back wins over Malignaggi, Urkal, Judah, and Mosley. Most recently he beat the very dangerous and highly avoided Clottey by SD, add in that his only loss is now a controversial one, and it shows that he's one of the top fighters in the world today

#6 Paul Williams - He is currently campaigning in 3 weight classes at the same time (Welterweight, Jr. Middleweight, and Middleweight), has won titles in 2 of the 3, and has wins over Margarito, Phillips, and Wright. Also a win over the only man who beat him (Quintana), and he did it by a brutal 1st round KO.

#7 Ivan Calderon - Despite a bad showing (the Mayol fight), he dominated the Minimumweight division for 4 years, with 11 title defenses, then moved up to Light Flyweight and beat the lineal champion (Cazares) by SD in his first fight at that weight, he went on to beat Cazares again in a rematch, and has wins against Alex "El Nene" Sanchez, Nelson Dieppa, and now a draw with Mayol. He's done all of this with very little punching power.

#8 Chad Dawson - He is an undefeated two time Lightheavyweight Champion (IBF & WBC), has wins over Harding, Adamek (the current Ring Cruiserweight Champion), Johnson, and Tarver (twice), all at only the age of 26

#9 Vic Darchinyan - A former Flyweight champion, bounced back from his only loss (N. Donaire) to become the Undisputed Super Flyweight champion with wins over Kirillov and Mijares, both by KO, then followed that up with a beating on Arce

#10 Wladimir Klitschko - A two time Heavyweight champion, and the current Unified Heavyweight champion (IBF,IBO,WBO), has back to back wins over Peter, Byrd, Brock, Austin, Brewster, Ibragimov, Thompson, and Rahman, still faces the best around when he was originally scheduled to face Haye, but Haye pulled out, so now he's taking on Chagaev

#11 Kelly Pavlik - He is still the Lineal Middleweight champion, and has wins over Zertuche, Miranda, and Taylor (twice, and when he was undefeated), and Rubio, and has knocked them all out. His only loss came against B-Hop when he jumped up to 170

#12 Israel Vazquez - Hasn't fought in over a year to stay in the top 10, but well no real explination needed here

#13 Rafael Marquez - Same as Vazquez, even though he did fight last month, but it was against weak opposition

#14 Arthur Abraham - Long time reigning IBF Middleweight champ, has wins over Eastman, Ikeke, and two over Miranda, a UD while he had a broken jaw, and then a brutal 4th round KO, and a win against a still game, but not really a threat in Raul Marquez

#15 Vitali Klitschko - Was the man at Heavyweight before retirement, with wins over Johnson, Sanders and Williams, all by KO. Then he beat Peter in dominant fashion to win the WBC Heavyweight title in his first fight back after a four year layoff, he would go on defend his title against J.C. Gomez, both also by KO

#16 Nate Campbell - A former Unified Lightweight champion (IBF,WBO,WBA), who never lost his title in a fight. He has wins over Quiles, the then undefeated Juan Diaz, and the large Funeka, and now will challenge Unified Jr. Welterweight champion Timothy Bradley, all at the age of 37

#17 Fernando Montiel - A former two time WBO Flyweight champion, former WBO Super Flyweight champion, and now will be facing Morel for the WBO Bantamweight title, has wins over Gorres, M. Castillo, and Maldonado

still working on 18-30

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Interesting list but Id have Nonito Donaire one spot in from of Vic and definately in the top 17. Kesser , JMM, Caballero should be higher also. For the rest Hasegawa, Glen Johnson, Haye, Clottey, Bradley ,Valero, Juan Diaz , Adamek, Edgar Sosa

Originally Posted by gest12645

Interesting list but Id have Nonito Donaire one spot in from of Vic and definately in the top 17. Kesser , JMM, Caballero should be higher also. For the rest Hasegawa, Glen Johnson, Haye, Clottey, Bradley ,Valero, Juan Diaz , Adamek, Edgar Sosa

don't have Donaire, cause apart from beating Darchinyan he hasn't done shit really, on the other hand Darchinyan moved up and weight and owned it, and i have JMM in the #2 spot, still working out #18-30

I would have Donaire in there instead of Vic, but besides that and maybe having Berto in there instead of Arthur Abraham or Nate Campbell I think its a great list.

Sry, I meant JML , Donaire has looked amazing in his last fights , I got him in the top 10 and ahead of Vic

Originally Posted by gest12645

Sry, I meant JML , Donaire has looked amazing in his last fights , I got him in the top 10 and ahead of Vic

he's looked amazing against bums, Darchinyan's looked great against world class opponents in Christian Mijares and Jorge Arce

Mijares was overrated, Donaire would have beaten him worse, and Arce hasn't been world class in awhile.

JML I totally forgot about him, I would have him in the top 10 instead of Donaire who would then be 11.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Mijares was overrated, Donaire would have beaten him worse, and Arce hasn't been world class in awhile.

JML I totally forgot about him, I would have him in the top 10 instead of Donaire who would then be 11.

like you said when i would say a prime DLH would have beaten Manny, how do you know, it hasn't happened and no matter what way you put it, rankings go by accomplishments, and Donaire hasn't accomplished anything after the Darchinyan fight

I was the one who ask you to make a top 30 p4p, it looks like your having a hard time at it.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by gest12645

Sry, I meant JML , Donaire has looked amazing in his last fights , I got him in the top 10 and ahead of Vic

he's looked amazing against bums, Darchinyan's looked great against world class opponents in Christian Mijares and Jorge Arce

Looked amazing against bums? so Darchinyan is a bum?

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Taeth

Mijares was overrated, Donaire would have beaten him worse, and Arce hasn't been world class in awhile.

JML I totally forgot about him, I would have him in the top 10 instead of Donaire who would then be 11.

like you said when i would say a prime DLH would have beaten Manny, how do you know, it hasn't happened and no matter what way you put it, rankings go by accomplishments, and Donaire hasn't accomplished anything after the Darchinyan fight

The p4p ranking isnt just about accomplishment, the opinion of who would beat who plays a big part at it too. the ring believes pound for pound (which means if all same weight) nonito would beat everybody in boxing besides the six fighters above him in the rankings.

Donaire hasn't accomplished anything after the darchinyan fight? Donaire defended his title three times and made it look easy. He completely outbox his oppenent and ends them.

You believe Darchinyan has accomplish way more, but the two big wins of him recently are mijares and arce. Well Mijares already dominate arce so fighting arce wasnt much addition to accompishment since he already dominated mijares.

oh by the way, weren't you saying raul martinez was going to defeat nonito? can you tell me your prediction in nonitos next fight against Cazares.

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

I was the one who ask you to make a top 30 p4p, it looks like your having a hard time at it.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by gest12645

Sry, I meant JML , Donaire has looked amazing in his last fights , I got him in the top 10 and ahead of Vic

he's looked amazing against bums, Darchinyan's looked great against world class opponents in Christian Mijares and Jorge Arce

Looked amazing against bums? so Darchinyan is a bum?

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Taeth

Mijares was overrated, Donaire would have beaten him worse, and Arce hasn't been world class in awhile.

JML I totally forgot about him, I would have him in the top 10 instead of Donaire who would then be 11.

like you said when i would say a prime DLH would have beaten Manny, how do you know, it hasn't happened and no matter what way you put it, rankings go by accomplishments, and Donaire hasn't accomplished anything after the Darchinyan fight

The p4p ranking isnt just about accomplishment, the opinion of who would beat who plays a big part at it too. the ring believes pound for pound (which means if all same weight) nonito would beat everybody in boxing besides the six fighters above him in the rankings.

Donaire hasn't accomplished anything after the darchinyan fight? Donaire defended his title three times and made it look easy. He completely outbox his oppenent and ends them.

You believe Darchinyan has accomplish way more, but the two big wins of him recently are mijares and arce. Well Mijares already dominate arce so fighting arce wasnt much addition to accompishment since he already dominated mijares.

oh by the way, weren't you saying raul martinez was going to defeat nonito? can you tell me your prediction in nonitos next fight against Cazares.

you know damned well i mean after the Darchinyan fight, and using your logic that Donaire should be ahead of Darchinyan due to the fact that he's beaten Darchinyan means that Cotto should be #4 and Torrecampo and Singsurat should be drawn at #1 , do i think that? of course not, it's ridiculous to have a fighter ahead of another ONLY due to a win especially when one has accomplished alot more than the other

and Donaire has defended his title easy cause he's fought utter garbage since Darchinyan, and no i didn't pick Martinez over Donaire, i said if Donaire didn't beat Martinez he was utter crap, and yea i pick Donaire over Cazares, cause again he's fighting a smaller fighter, if he doesn't beat Cazares it'll be a sad day, cause he would have lost to a guy that was beaten twice by a fighter who's only 5 ft tall and weighs 108 lbs, and doesn't have the power to punch through a paper bag

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

nonito would beat everybody in boxing besides the six fighters above him in the rankings.

Williams, Dawson, and Klitschko would all leave Donaire in a coma lol stupidest thing i've read in some time now

That took some thought.Good stuff.P4P rankings are soooo subjective.Some attribute level of competiton,guys defeated and/or all around skillset and ring generalship. I'm struggling hard with Pavlik at # 11

Originally Posted by Spicoli

That took some thought.Good stuff.P4P rankings are soooo subjective.Some attribute level of competiton,guys defeated and/or all around skillset and ring generalship. I'm struggling hard with Pavlik at # 11

yea i know, but if you really think about it, apart from the Hopkins fight, when has he really looked bad, i mean he didn't look great against Rubio but that was partially Rubio's fault, he wasn't trying to make it a fight, and when one fighter is doing everything well it's tough