Thread: Lets get something straight!

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

I didn't know you could make a catch weight below the limit, but it makes sense, and I don't know why people make such a big fuss about Manny fighting one of them at 144-145. As for Oscar, I hope people realize that Oscar was going to fight Floyd at 147 before he retired.

I just don't see the point. The weight classes exist, so why not just follow what exists instead of trying to find loopholes around them. Pac is at 140, Cotto is at 147. If Manny cannot deal with 147 then he should stick it out at 140. It's a simple logic.

Personally Im not overly bothered about the catchweight stuff. But, getting Cotto down to 145 will only put an unnecessary asterisk next to any Pac victory, whereas I don't think they need that stipulation to make the fight winnable.

Your right you can weigh in anything between 140 & 147, however, that's how it should remain. You should not be able to win the title if you do not beat the guy with the weightclass maximum being in effect, I see it the same as someone weighing in over the limit. If they fight at catchweight, the title should not be up for grabs. & as for Oscar fighting Floyd at 147, yes that was going to happen, but Floyd had fought Oscar with effectively everything against him & beaten him so had earnt the right to dictate terms in a rematch, but if that fight had gone ahead I would have considered it an absolute joke because the 1st fight hadn't been deserving of a rematch

Freddie Roach is obviously always seeking for the best interest for his fighters. At below 147, Pac clearly has all sorts of advantage.

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

I'd prefer it just be 147 even though Pacquaio would probably weigh no more than 142 or so just because making it a catchweight gives a built in excuse for people that want to whine if Manny wins.

I personally don't think 145 is ridiculous as Cotto said from the beginning that he would fight Manny but at no lower than 145. But still I'd rather just see it be a 147 fight, then it will be just that Cotto was shot, not shot and weight drained. Now who's whining? Me, that's who.

Originally Posted by OumaFan

I'd prefer it just be 147 even though Pacquaio would probably weigh no more than 142 or so just because making it a catchweight gives a built in excuse for people that want to whine if Manny wins.

I personally don't think 145 is ridiculous as Cotto said from the beginning that he would fight Manny but at no lower than 145. But still I'd rather just see it be a 147 fight, then it will be just that Cotto was shot, not shot and weight drained. Now who's whining? Me, that's who.

If he beat Cotto at 147, I would give him complete credit. I've never thought Cotto was as good as many cracked him up to be, and for me whenever in with elite opposition he has either got beaten or left it too close for comfort. However, its well-known that his lifestyle out of the ring isn't always the best & I think pushing him even a couple of pounds could make the difference in how effective he is as a fighter. If Pacquiao beats him at 147 (which I think he can do) I can't see how anyone could complain (although some probably will).

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

Wow, first of all neither MOsley nor Cotto have significant troubles making 147 hence why Cotto came in at 146 for this last fight. Second Hatton is ranked way higher than Clottey p4p, so was Margarito. And Margarito beat CLottey so I don't know how your logic about COtto facing the best opponent fits, maybe the hardest opponent for his style, but even then I think Hatton was the hardest opponent stylewise on paper for Pacquiao, but great fighters find a way to adapt, if Pacquiao tried to fight Hatton like he used to, he would have gotten mauled.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

Wow, first of all neither MOsley nor Cotto have significant troubles making 147 hence why Cotto came in at 146 for this last fight. Second Hatton is ranked way higher than Clottey p4p, so was Margarito. And Margarito beat CLottey so I don't know how your logic about COtto facing the best opponent fits, maybe the hardest opponent for his style, but even then I think Hatton was the hardest opponent stylewise on paper for Pacquiao, but great fighters find a way to adapt, if Pacquiao tried to fight Hatton like he used to, he would have gotten mauled.

Both do have trouble getting down, Mosley because of his age & Cotto because his lifestyle outside the ring involves a fair amount of eating & drinking. Just because he made 146, you will realize that he's never been below that, & when you're making weight every extra pound is a struggle. Like I said, 145 is fine as a fight, but NOT a title fight. The only time I see a catchweight as acceptable is in that such as PBF-JMM

Originally Posted by miles

I just don't see the point. The weight classes exist, so why not just follow what exists instead of trying to find loopholes around them. Pac is at 140, Cotto is at 147. If Manny cannot deal with 147 then he should stick it out at 140. It's a simple logic.

i was thinking the same

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

you said it ranging from 141 to 147, so if Manny wants to become welterweight champion he has to fight a champion at welter and that champion is allowed to max out if he wants up to 147 and has NO NEED to go any lower than that if he chooses not to, if Manny wants to win a title at WELTERWEIGHT, well he needs to fight it at the range of welter and no catchweight bullshit, advantage? the guy's at welter are fighting in their class, if Pacquiao thinks he doesn't have a shot at them at their best, well he shouldn't take the fight, simple as that

i think Calderon should take up a fight against Manny for his lineal Jr. Welter title, but so that it's even, he should ask it to be at 120

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

Cotto himself said he could do 145 no problem, in his last bout he weighed in at 146. Pac is unlikely to even weigh in at 144 if he fights above junier weltwer weight. Do you still think its unfair?

Are you guys telling me you guys believe pac would easily beat cotto at any weight below 147? nuthuggers!

Its up to the two fighters and this fight is likely to happen at a catchweight.

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

Cotto himself said he could do 145 no problem, in his last bout he weighed in at 146. Pac is unlikely to even weigh in at 144 if he fights above junier weltwer weight. Do you still think its unfair?

Are you guys telling me you guys believe pac would easily beat cotto at any weight below 147? nuthuggers!

Its up to the two fighters and this fight is likely to happen at a catchweight.

Of course he said that. Offer me 10 million dollars and I'll tell you I can make 80 lbs and I'll try my best to do it. Boxers say and do all kinds of things to get marquee fights made.

Just because he can make the weight doesn't mean he's going to be at his best. I think Pac would beat Cotto handily at 147 and that victory would have a lot more credibility than one at 145. Like it or not, if this fight takes place anywhere below 147, it will always have an asterix beside it in many peoples eyes.