Thread: Who was the better fighter and who has left the better legacy behind ?

Kosya Tysyu or Felix Trinidad ? Discuss.

trinidad in my book he fought the better opposition & many more of the public had heard of him, in britain only reason public heard of kosta was cos hatton fought him for the title

Originally Posted by Hughesd

Kosya Tysyu or Felix Trinidad ? Discuss.

Going by your spelling I would say its Felix all the way for you too.

Me too , even though Im an Aussie and prefer Kostya as a fighter and a person Im still with Trinidad on the intenstity of his fights , his opposition and the frequency during his reign.

I'm not doubting either of their abilities, but neither of them had too many 'Great' wins

Trinidad best wins - Vargas, Sweet P (way past his best), Reid (another Lacy)

Tszyu - Zab, Ruelas, Tackie, Mitchell


Can't split them tbh

1996
Feb. 10 -- Rodney Moore, Las Vegas, Nevada, TKO 4
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
May 18 -- Freddie Pendleton, Las Vegas, Nevada, KO 5
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
Sep. 7 -- Ray Lovato, Las Vegas, Nevada, TKO 6
(Retained IBF welterweight title)

1997
Jan. 11 -- Kevin Leushing, Nashville, Tennessee, TKO 3
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
Aug. 23 -- Troy Waters, New York City, KO 1

1998
Apr. 3 -- Mahenge Zulu, Bayamon, Puerto Rico, KO 4
(Retained IBF welterweight title)

1999
Feb. 20 -- Pernell Whitaker, New York, W 12
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
May 29 -- Hugo Pineda, San Juan, Puerto Rico, KO 4
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
Sep. 18 -- Oscar de la Hoya, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
(Captured WBC welterweight title)

2000
Mar. 3 -- David Reid, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12
(Captured WBA super welterweight title)
July 22 -- Mamadou Thiam, Miami, Florida, TKO 3
(Retained WBA super welterweight title)
Dec. 2 -- Fernando Vargas, Las Vegas, Nevada, TKO 12
(Retained WBA super welterweight title)
(Captured IBF junior middleweight title)

2001
May 12 -- William Joppy, New York, New York, TKO 5
(Captured WBA middleweight title)
Sept. 29 -- Bernard Hopkins, New York, New York, TKO by 12
(Lost WBA middleweight title)
(For WBC and IBF middleweight title)

2002
May 11 -- Hacine Cherifi, San Juan, Puerto Rico, TKO 4

2004
Oct. 2 -- Ricardo Mayorga, New York, NY, TKO 8

2005
May 14 -- Winky Wright, Las Vegas,


Definatley alot of fillers in there but not too shabby!
Neither was Tszyu but i would of liked to have seen more from Kostya specially a rematch of Phillips.

Originally Posted by BIG H

I'm not doubting either of their abilities, but neither of them had too many 'Great' wins

Trinidad best wins - Vargas, Sweet P (way past his best), Reid (another Lacy)

Tszyu - Zab, Ruelas, Tackie, Mitchell


Can't split them tbh

David Reid was alot more talented than Jeff Lacy, he was an Olympic gold medalist and had plenty of talent. Its just he was rushed into Felix Trinidad fight, because of his eye problem which wouldn't of lead to a long career anyway.

Also what about ODLH, Freddie Pendleton, William Joppy, Ricardo Mayorga, Hector Camacho, Maurice Blocker ?

Lastly its gotta be Felix Trinidad, he had more classic and exciting fights. And he will be remember more than Kostya Tszyu, who never quite got the fights he probably should have.

Trinidad by a mile for me.

Trinidad easily for me, I personally feel that Tszyu's achievements are possibly the most overrated in boxing. He looked a hell of a fighter, but there wasn't too much definitive opposition there for me. Although for me, there is a slight question mark over some of Trinidad's achievements because of the 'hand-wrap' controversy. Not on a Margarito level, but it still irks at me a bit.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Trinidad easily for me, I personally feel that Tszyu's achievements are possibly the most overrated in boxing. He looked a hell of a fighter, but there wasn't too much definitive opposition there for me. Although for me, there is a slight question mark over some of Trinidad's achievements because of the 'hand-wrap' controversy. Not on a Margarito level, but it still irks at me a bit.

Trinidad for me as well.

Hey Jaz; can't you get that girl in your avatar to pull her blouse down a bit more I'm getting some serious jungle fever here

Tito easy

why the hell are we all agreeing?!?!?!

someone say something stupid, quick... hattonthehammer?!

This is not even close. Its definitely Trinidad. This only takes a glimpse of their resumes to settle. You may argue Tsyzu is right there with Tito as far as talent (both are one dimensional fighters) but who left the better legacy is not even competitive.

Originally Posted by Andre

1996
Feb. 10 -- Rodney Moore, Las Vegas, Nevada, TKO 4
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
May 18 -- Freddie Pendleton, Las Vegas, Nevada, KO 5
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
Sep. 7 -- Ray Lovato, Las Vegas, Nevada, TKO 6
(Retained IBF welterweight title)

1997
Jan. 11 -- Kevin Leushing, Nashville, Tennessee, TKO 3
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
Aug. 23 -- Troy Waters, New York City, KO 1

1998
Apr. 3 -- Mahenge Zulu, Bayamon, Puerto Rico, KO 4
(Retained IBF welterweight title)

1999
Feb. 20 -- Pernell Whitaker, New York, W 12
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
May 29 -- Hugo Pineda, San Juan, Puerto Rico, KO 4
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
Sep. 18 -- Oscar de la Hoya, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained IBF welterweight title)
(Captured WBC welterweight title)

2000
Mar. 3 -- David Reid, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12
(Captured WBA super welterweight title)
July 22 -- Mamadou Thiam, Miami, Florida, TKO 3
(Retained WBA super welterweight title)
Dec. 2 -- Fernando Vargas, Las Vegas, Nevada, TKO 12
(Retained WBA super welterweight title)
(Captured IBF junior middleweight title)

2001
May 12 -- William Joppy, New York, New York, TKO 5
(Captured WBA middleweight title)
Sept. 29 -- Bernard Hopkins, New York, New York, TKO by 12
(Lost WBA middleweight title)
(For WBC and IBF middleweight title)

2002
May 11 -- Hacine Cherifi, San Juan, Puerto Rico, TKO 4

2004
Oct. 2 -- Ricardo Mayorga, New York, NY, TKO 8

2005
May 14 -- Winky Wright, Las Vegas,


Definatley alot of fillers in there but not too shabby!
Neither was Tszyu but i would of liked to have seen more from Kostya specially a rematch of Phillips.

Trinidad was exciting, however he was exposed against DLH and it is still bewildering how he got that decision.
I would have loved to have seen him fight Mosley, now that would have been a defining fight as it would have been for Tszyu. Both Mosley and DLH sidestepped Tszyu and thus denied KT his real moment in the sun, a Phillips rematch would have happened if not for Terron Millet beating Phillips in early 1999 paving the way for a Tszyu V Gonzalez fight instead. Both fighters have left great legacies, it was a shame Trinidad couldn't stay at 147 or 154 and it was a shame Tszyu never got his Mega fight with Mosley, DLH or Floyd.

Legacy is a tall order but rightly or wrongly I think that the Phillips & Hatton fights will hang over Kostya...sadly its not the first time in which a guys lone defeats have a lasting effect.I think Tszyu was an all around better,more in depth boxer but Tito was far more exciting,better competition (Tszyu was no slouch Laporte,Lopez,Mayweather,Sanchez were all capable as well) but it was no contest as far as massive huge fight exposure and the all-mighty star power.Jones jr chased that scalp for yeeaarrs before he finally got it.

Gotta go with Tito. Mainly because the quality of guys he beat and he only lost to ATG fighters.