Thread: Last night's fight didn't do much to help Dawson...

Solid performance, but with as awful as Johnson looked, he really should have finished him...

The fact that he was able to hit Johnson so easily, but never really hurt him does no credit to Dawson at all. And worse than that, Dawson had Johnson completely figured out, and kept him from landing anything of consequence...and despite this, Dawson was content to let Johnson just keep coming forward all night, when it looked like Dawson could have just stepped it up and took him out.

And I get it, Dawson clearly won the fight, but if Johnson can show up tired and old and the fight still goes to the cards, then Dawson's elite status goes right out the window.

Elite fighters finish guys like that.

When you've got a fighter thoroughly beaten offensively and defensively, you go after him and finish the damn thing, not play it safe and let him pointlessly keep plodding forward, eating pot shots, occasionally landing the slick 3-5 punch combo's...

If Dawson is not going to be the guy that puts away the lesser fighters that the weak division just keeps throwing at him, what do we have to look forward too?

Was Johnson ever hurt in the fight? Have you ever seen him even buzzed in a fight? Dude has a chin. Just because he didn't win by KO doesn't take away from the fact that Chad dominated the #3 LH in the world. The only other fight to do that was Hopkins over 10 years ago. I think it was his best win. I hope he gets a fight with Pascal in 2010. Would be a good fast paced boxing match.

I actually surprised people are hating on Dawson because he didn't stop GLEN JOHNSON.

Have people forgot who Johnson is ? The guy has an awesome chin.

Expecting Dawson to stop him is expecting far too much out of him.

I think it was just the lack of attempt...

It was like playing with a fish on the end of your line being in full control, and never bothering to pull the thing into the boat...

It just appeared that he didn't want to hurt him or finish the fight with a knockout or anything... Was just content to win on the points..

But I get how people are saying it didn't help him.. For a guy who's reaching his peak where he can make the most money, win legacy building fights, etc etc, his mentality was not of a fighter wanting to take the scene by the nuts (to put it crudely).. And I think that's what people expect of a fighter of his age and position when he's got that opportunity in front of him...

Originally Posted by hfahrenheit

Solid performance, but with as awful as Johnson looked, he really should have finished him...

The fact that he was able to hit Johnson so easily, but never really hurt him does no credit to Dawson at all. And worse than that, Dawson had Johnson completely figured out, and kept him from landing anything of consequence...and despite this, Dawson was content to let Johnson just keep coming forward all night, when it looked like Dawson could have just stepped it up and took him out.

And I get it, Dawson clearly won the fight, but if Johnson can show up tired and old and the fight still goes to the cards, then Dawson's elite status goes right out the window.

Elite fighters finish guys like that.

When you've got a fighter thoroughly beaten offensively and defensively, you go after him and finish the damn thing, not play it safe and let him pointlessly keep plodding forward, eating pot shots, occasionally landing the slick 3-5 punch combo's...

If Dawson is not going to be the guy that puts away the lesser fighters that the weak division just keeps throwing at him, what do we have to look forward too?

I agree in that Dawson didn't appear to have interest in trying. I don't think you can KO a guy like Johnson, but Chad seemed content in pitty-patting him. Johnson was never hurt and as huge a disparity there was between their defenses and offenses Dawson could have done a lot more.

I did like how Dawson had him looking 'awkward' a few times. It appeared as if Chad's combos could take him off balance and I think he could have at least produced a knock down, but again, he didn't seem interested in trying.

My problem with the commentating wasn't in how Harold Letterman scored it, but rather how in awe all 3 of them seemed to be at Dawson's ability.

Originally Posted by Killface

Originally Posted by hfahrenheit

Solid performance, but with as awful as Johnson looked, he really should have finished him...

The fact that he was able to hit Johnson so easily, but never really hurt him does no credit to Dawson at all. And worse than that, Dawson had Johnson completely figured out, and kept him from landing anything of consequence...and despite this, Dawson was content to let Johnson just keep coming forward all night, when it looked like Dawson could have just stepped it up and took him out.

And I get it, Dawson clearly won the fight, but if Johnson can show up tired and old and the fight still goes to the cards, then Dawson's elite status goes right out the window.

Elite fighters finish guys like that.

When you've got a fighter thoroughly beaten offensively and defensively, you go after him and finish the damn thing, not play it safe and let him pointlessly keep plodding forward, eating pot shots, occasionally landing the slick 3-5 punch combo's...

If Dawson is not going to be the guy that puts away the lesser fighters that the weak division just keeps throwing at him, what do we have to look forward too?

I agree in that Dawson didn't appear to have interest in trying. I don't think you can KO a guy like Johnson, but Chad seemed content in pitty-patting him. Johnson was never hurt and as huge a disparity there was between their defenses and offenses Dawson could have done a lot more.

I did like how Dawson had him looking 'awkward' a few times. It appeared as if Chad's combos could take him off balance and I think he could have at least produced a knock down, but again, he didn't seem interested in trying.

My problem with the commentating wasn't in how Harold Letterman scored it, but rather how in awe all 3 of them seemed to be at Dawson's ability.

Chads suffering big time calzaghe syndrome here

He`s got the skills to beat the very best, only problem being the very best arent actually out there!

All the quality Super middleweights are tied up for the next 18months in the super 6, RJJ has pretty much set his sights on danny green and Bhop will only take a fight for ridiculous amounts of dollars

Dont be surprised if we get served up dawson-johnson III

Originally Posted by Killface

Originally Posted by hfahrenheit

Solid performance, but with as awful as Johnson looked, he really should have finished him...

The fact that he was able to hit Johnson so easily, but never really hurt him does no credit to Dawson at all. And worse than that, Dawson had Johnson completely figured out, and kept him from landing anything of consequence...and despite this, Dawson was content to let Johnson just keep coming forward all night, when it looked like Dawson could have just stepped it up and took him out.

And I get it, Dawson clearly won the fight, but if Johnson can show up tired and old and the fight still goes to the cards, then Dawson's elite status goes right out the window.

Elite fighters finish guys like that.

When you've got a fighter thoroughly beaten offensively and defensively, you go after him and finish the damn thing, not play it safe and let him pointlessly keep plodding forward, eating pot shots, occasionally landing the slick 3-5 punch combo's...

If Dawson is not going to be the guy that puts away the lesser fighters that the weak division just keeps throwing at him, what do we have to look forward too?

I agree in that Dawson didn't appear to have interest in trying. I don't think you can KO a guy like Johnson, but Chad seemed content in pitty-patting him. Johnson was never hurt and as huge a disparity there was between their defenses and offenses Dawson could have done a lot more.

I did like how Dawson had him looking 'awkward' a few times. It appeared as if Chad's combos could take him off balance and I think he could have at least produced a knock down, but again, he didn't seem interested in trying.

My problem with the commentating wasn't in how Harold Letterman scored it, but rather how in awe all 3 of them seemed to be at Dawson's ability.

1. Dawson completely out boxed him. Just thoroughly. And you say it exactly, "...he could have produced a knock down...didn't interested in trying."

2. The Dawson worship was so bad that my mother-in-law asked if they worked for Dawson, (she doesn't follow boxing).

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Originally Posted by Killface

Originally Posted by hfahrenheit

Solid performance, but with as awful as Johnson looked, he really should have finished him...

The fact that he was able to hit Johnson so easily, but never really hurt him does no credit to Dawson at all. And worse than that, Dawson had Johnson completely figured out, and kept him from landing anything of consequence...and despite this, Dawson was content to let Johnson just keep coming forward all night, when it looked like Dawson could have just stepped it up and took him out.

And I get it, Dawson clearly won the fight, but if Johnson can show up tired and old and the fight still goes to the cards, then Dawson's elite status goes right out the window.

Elite fighters finish guys like that.

When you've got a fighter thoroughly beaten offensively and defensively, you go after him and finish the damn thing, not play it safe and let him pointlessly keep plodding forward, eating pot shots, occasionally landing the slick 3-5 punch combo's...

If Dawson is not going to be the guy that puts away the lesser fighters that the weak division just keeps throwing at him, what do we have to look forward too?

I agree in that Dawson didn't appear to have interest in trying. I don't think you can KO a guy like Johnson, but Chad seemed content in pitty-patting him. Johnson was never hurt and as huge a disparity there was between their defenses and offenses Dawson could have done a lot more.

I did like how Dawson had him looking 'awkward' a few times. It appeared as if Chad's combos could take him off balance and I think he could have at least produced a knock down, but again, he didn't seem interested in trying.

My problem with the commentating wasn't in how Harold Letterman scored it, but rather how in awe all 3 of them seemed to be at Dawson's ability.

Chads suffering big time calzaghe syndrome here

He`s got the skills to beat the very best, only problem being the very best arent actually out there!

All the quality Super middleweights are tied up for the next 18months in the super 6, RJJ has pretty much set his sights on danny green and Bhop will only take a fight for ridiculous amounts of dollars

Dont be surprised if we get served up dawson-johnson III

Dawson-Johnson III--God, don't even speak it into existence!

Calzaghe syndrome only in that there's no competition; Joe had the killer instinct, and would have gone after anybody sucking that badly.

Originally Posted by Dizaster

I think it was just the lack of attempt...

It was like playing with a fish on the end of your line being in full control, and never bothering to pull the thing into the boat...

It just appeared that he didn't want to hurt him or finish the fight with a knockout or anything... Was just content to win on the points..

But I get how people are saying it didn't help him.. For a guy who's reaching his peak where he can make the most money, win legacy building fights, etc etc, his mentality was not of a fighter wanting to take the scene by the nuts (to put it crudely).. And I think that's what people expect of a fighter of his age and position when he's got that opportunity in front of him...

Exactly. Where's the killer instinct? People want to compare him to Floyd, but at least Floyd eventually went after Marquez, and tried to finish him, (and yes, I would directly compare the two fights on the basis of fighters being outclassed); Dawson is too good to be that apprehensive to mix up or at least go on the offensive.

NOBODY wants to see someone just "survive" a fight when they're completely outclassing them.

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Originally Posted by Killface

Originally Posted by hfahrenheit

Solid performance, but with as awful as Johnson looked, he really should have finished him...

The fact that he was able to hit Johnson so easily, but never really hurt him does no credit to Dawson at all. And worse than that, Dawson had Johnson completely figured out, and kept him from landing anything of consequence...and despite this, Dawson was content to let Johnson just keep coming forward all night, when it looked like Dawson could have just stepped it up and took him out.

And I get it, Dawson clearly won the fight, but if Johnson can show up tired and old and the fight still goes to the cards, then Dawson's elite status goes right out the window.

Elite fighters finish guys like that.

When you've got a fighter thoroughly beaten offensively and defensively, you go after him and finish the damn thing, not play it safe and let him pointlessly keep plodding forward, eating pot shots, occasionally landing the slick 3-5 punch combo's...

If Dawson is not going to be the guy that puts away the lesser fighters that the weak division just keeps throwing at him, what do we have to look forward too?

I agree in that Dawson didn't appear to have interest in trying. I don't think you can KO a guy like Johnson, but Chad seemed content in pitty-patting him. Johnson was never hurt and as huge a disparity there was between their defenses and offenses Dawson could have done a lot more.

I did like how Dawson had him looking 'awkward' a few times. It appeared as if Chad's combos could take him off balance and I think he could have at least produced a knock down, but again, he didn't seem interested in trying.

My problem with the commentating wasn't in how Harold Letterman scored it, but rather how in awe all 3 of them seemed to be at Dawson's ability.

Chads suffering big time calzaghe syndrome here

He`s got the skills to beat the very best, only problem being the very best arent actually out there!

All the quality Super middleweights are tied up for the next 18months in the super 6, RJJ has pretty much set his sights on danny green and Bhop will only take a fight for ridiculous amounts of dollars

Dont be surprised if we get served up dawson-johnson III

He's supposed to fight the winner of Diaconu-Pascal and I think it will answer a lot of questions as these 2 are very quick with an excellent punching power and load of aggression, Dawson sure has the skills to beat them but let's see if he has the killer instinct to do so.

Originally Posted by jdonaher1

Was Johnson ever hurt in the fight? Have you ever seen him even buzzed in a fight? Dude has a chin. Just because he didn't win by KO doesn't take away from the fact that Chad dominated the #3 LH in the world. The only other fight to do that was Hopkins over 10 years ago. I think it was his best win. I hope he gets a fight with Pascal in 2010. Would be a good fast paced boxing match.

No.

Could Dawson have hurt him?

Absolutely. Dawson never tried.

Johnson does have a great chin, but so did Margarito until he met Sugar Shane. Dawson had Johnson beat on that level, and could have beaten him in the same fashion.

OR...

If that was Dawson's best, and simply could not put that version of Glen Johnson away (tired, slow, completely outclassed), then nobody ever--EVER needs to call him an elite fighter ever again.

Originally Posted by Pugilistic

I actually surprised people are hating on Dawson because he didn't stop GLEN JOHNSON.

Have people forgot who Johnson is ? The guy has an awesome chin.

Expecting Dawson to stop him is expecting far too much out of him.

That wasn't Glen Johnson--that's was Glen Johnson's shell of his former self.

Originally Posted by Nameless

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Originally Posted by Killface

I agree in that Dawson didn't appear to have interest in trying. I don't think you can KO a guy like Johnson, but Chad seemed content in pitty-patting him. Johnson was never hurt and as huge a disparity there was between their defenses and offenses Dawson could have done a lot more.

I did like how Dawson had him looking 'awkward' a few times. It appeared as if Chad's combos could take him off balance and I think he could have at least produced a knock down, but again, he didn't seem interested in trying.

My problem with the commentating wasn't in how Harold Letterman scored it, but rather how in awe all 3 of them seemed to be at Dawson's ability.

Chads suffering big time calzaghe syndrome here

He`s got the skills to beat the very best, only problem being the very best arent actually out there!

All the quality Super middleweights are tied up for the next 18months in the super 6, RJJ has pretty much set his sights on danny green and Bhop will only take a fight for ridiculous amounts of dollars

Dont be surprised if we get served up dawson-johnson III

He's supposed to fight the winner of Diaconu-Pascal and I think it will answer a lot of questions as these 2 are very quick with an excellent punching power and load of aggression, Dawson sure has the skills to beat them but let's see if he has the killer instinct to do so.

Isn't this the Pascal that lost to Froch?

He doesn't stand a chance, he'll never touch Dawson...

and unfortunately, Dawson won't touch him more than he has to either.