Thread: Majority fans and analysts don't know S**T about boxing!!!

And it's making me sick to my stomach. Being an avid boxing fan, I'm quite amped up for the Cotto/Pac showdown. What's really irking me is how so many MORONS out there who claim to know anything about boxing, actually beleive that Pac will stop Cotto specifically in the early rounds!!!!

Are you kidding me!? It's bad enough for those who see Pac as a 3-1 favorite but to think he will stop Cotto?!!? Do these so called boxing fans and critics know anything at all about Cotto? Cotto has taken the best shots from Zab and Mosley and was never knocked down (I mention these 2 fighters specifically as they are in the same vicininty in terms of speed as Pac but hit much harder!). Cotto took a pounding from a huge 147lb'r in Marg and STILL wasn't knocked down...that too with possible plaster'd wraps.

How anyone thinks Pac who is coming up in weight to a prime Cotto at 145lb (still a bitch move on Pac's team to force Cotto to meet 145lb and fight a possibley weight drained Cotto ala ODH) is beyond me.
Unless the weight drain has effected Cotto (we'll know this in the first few rounds) there is no way IMO, that Pac stops Cotto...in fact, I'm calling Cotto to win a UD.

Too many people are getting carried with Pac's 2 previous wins over 'keeping my hands down Hatton' and a past his prime, severly weight drained ODH. People really need to wakeup and put things into perspective...

I will say this...It's a releif at least on this forum it's more evenly split in terms who posters feel will win...but others forums and articles I've read have Pac an 8-1 favorite!?!? Unbelievable

Its only natural. The same people were probably saying that he would hammer Hatton early and probably got laughed at accordingly, no way he could starch Hatton early right? He landed the kitchen sink on Diaz and the ghost of ODLH and still took what was it 8 rounds a piece?

I think Cotto will savage Pac and stop him in the mid rounds

Its an exciting and intriguing match up and personally i cant wait for saturday night as ive been looking forward to it for months! I honestly cant pick a winner, its a 50-50 fight as far as im concerned. How will Manny deal with Cottos power? How will Miguel deal with Pacquiaos speed? I LOVE IT!

Originally Posted by BIG H

I think Cotto will savage Pac and stop him in the mid rounds

More I think about it the more I see it the same way. For long couldn't decide and thought it could go convincingly either way. Cotto has the defence and toughness to withstand Pac who'll struggle to cope with Cotto's strength and power. Some fans got carried away when Ricky KO'd castillo, suddenly he could do the same with a prime Weler with the best D in the buis, I think people will be in for a similar rude awakening on Sat night, though I'm hoping for a competitive showing.

It's even more moronic to claim Pac can't KO Cotto early.

You're gonna look like a proper mug should this happen. Pac has a serious speed advantage, he hits hard, Cotto doesn't have a great chin.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by Fenster

It's even more moronic to claim Pac can't KO Cotto early.

You're gonna look like a proper mug should this happen. Pac has a serious speed advantage, he hits hard, Cotto doesn't have a great chin.

Good luck.

when has Cotto's chin looked weak at 147 lbs? it took Margarito 11 rounds to stop him and that was most likely with cinder blocks on his hands, and when has he been hurt by a smaller guy at 147?

Originally Posted by Fenster

It's even more moronic to claim Pac can't KO Cotto early.

You're gonna look like a proper mug should this happen. Pac has a serious speed advantage, he hits hard, Cotto doesn't have a great chin.

Good luck.

I do agree with you here Fenster.

One thing we should all know for certain now is that you never know what's going to happen in boxing.

Yes I think Cotto will be too strong for Manny. Yes I can't see how a guy who beat Shane Mosely, destroyed Quinatana and beat up Zab Judah, and got a win over Joshua Clottey, can be beat up and knocked out by a former flyweight.

BUT I thought Manny would lose to Oscar, I thought him and Hatton was for certain a 12 round fight and I expected the size and strength of David Diaz to cause him problems.

I think Cotto's chances have been underestimated by the fans and media alike, but this is a fight that I just don't know for sure how it's going to go.

My head says Cotto wins in the late rounds, but I've bet against Manny a ton of times before and he always suprises.

It's probably wisest not to say too much before the buildup to this fight as a lot of people will end up with egg on their faces methinks.

Originally Posted by Fenster

It's even more moronic to claim Pac can't KO Cotto early.

You're gonna look like a proper mug should this happen. Pac has a serious speed advantage, he hits hard, Cotto doesn't have a great chin.

Good luck.

I agree Pac is fast, also he hits while bodily on the move and goes out on weird angles and covers his path with a cross.

He can catch other more routine style fighters cold or even worse on a turn trying to follow him (the target.)

Thats why someone intent on removing him wont be able to . I think it wil take a text book skill of control and making him pay for his mistakes to be able to beat him. Cottos needsto be in the zone from before the fight right through it,with no preconcieved ideas about how it will go.

But you never know if Cotto fights to the letter and holds control over his own centre line and keeps Pac where he wants him ,comes out from behind the jab and does it when he earns it, in controlled spurts (Then Pac will pay and may feel it harder than he has ever done before.

Ii live in hope. Go Cotto.

But I wont be so dissaointed if Pac wins hes a great Champ great for the sport anyway.

Just God help us with his not so humble fans telling us which way the wind blows all based on one fighter and how they are the prediction kings of all time.

(I predict my Rolls Royce will outlast your Ford)

Originally Posted by Fenster

It's even more moronic to claim Pac can't KO Cotto early.

You're gonna look like a proper mug should this happen. Pac has a serious speed advantage, he hits hard, Cotto doesn't have a great chin.

Good luck.

but he could take all the mosley could throw at him... the problem is although cotto can be stunned he recovers very quickly ... he wont still be wobbling round on bambi legs a minute later like hatton was in the first round


pac couldnt put a dent in DLH who was a sitting target, hatton had been hurt by a non - puncher in lazcano before this fight

Originally Posted by sanchez786

And it's making me sick to my stomach. Being an avid boxing fan, I'm quite amped up for the Cotto/Pac showdown. What's really irking me is how so many MORONS out there who claim to know anything about boxing, actually beleive that Pac will stop Cotto specifically in the early rounds!!!!

Are you kidding me!? It's bad enough for those who see Pac as a 3-1 favorite but to think he will stop Cotto?!!? Do these so called boxing fans and critics know anything at all about Cotto? Cotto has taken the best shots from Zab and Mosley and was never knocked down (I mention these 2 fighters specifically as they are in the same vicininty in terms of speed as Pac but hit much harder!). Cotto took a pounding from a huge 147lb'r in Marg and STILL wasn't knocked down...that too with possible plaster'd wraps.

How anyone thinks Pac who is coming up in weight to a prime Cotto at 145lb (still a bitch move on Pac's team to force Cotto to meet 145lb and fight a possibley weight drained Cotto ala ODH) is beyond me.
Unless the weight drain has effected Cotto (we'll know this in the first few rounds) there is no way IMO, that Pac stops Cotto...in fact, I'm calling Cotto to win a UD.

Too many people are getting carried with Pac's 2 previous wins over 'keeping my hands down Hatton' and a past his prime, severly weight drained ODH. People really need to wakeup and put things into perspective...

I will say this...It's a releif at least on this forum it's more evenly split in terms who posters feel will win...but others forums and articles I've read have Pac an 8-1 favorite!?!? Unbelievable

Your Quote " The majority of fans don't know shit about boxing " ?
Well let me start by saying , that personally I am going for a PACMAN win inside 6 rounds . But i like both fighters as they are exciting to watch , and I will be happy whoever wins.
As for opinions like mine " making you sick to your stomach" I find this laughable at best.
Not only should you take time away from masturbating furiously over pictures of the love of your life Cotto , myself and many other fine posters on Saddo's were watching boxing when your were a "GLINT IN THE MILKMAN'S EYE" . If by any chance you are not a prepubescent teen , then you are a mere idiot.
So to sum up your Highness , every one's opinions differ , that's what makes boxing great to watch and discuss.
More to the point thats what makes SADDO BOXING GREAT.
The prosecution rests.

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Originally Posted by sanchez786

And it's making me sick to my stomach. Being an avid boxing fan, I'm quite amped up for the Cotto/Pac showdown. What's really irking me is how so many MORONS out there who claim to know anything about boxing, actually beleive that Pac will stop Cotto specifically in the early rounds!!!!

Are you kidding me!? It's bad enough for those who see Pac as a 3-1 favorite but to think he will stop Cotto?!!? Do these so called boxing fans and critics know anything at all about Cotto? Cotto has taken the best shots from Zab and Mosley and was never knocked down (I mention these 2 fighters specifically as they are in the same vicininty in terms of speed as Pac but hit much harder!). Cotto took a pounding from a huge 147lb'r in Marg and STILL wasn't knocked down...that too with possible plaster'd wraps.

How anyone thinks Pac who is coming up in weight to a prime Cotto at 145lb (still a bitch move on Pac's team to force Cotto to meet 145lb and fight a possibley weight drained Cotto ala ODH) is beyond me.
Unless the weight drain has effected Cotto (we'll know this in the first few rounds) there is no way IMO, that Pac stops Cotto...in fact, I'm calling Cotto to win a UD.

Too many people are getting carried with Pac's 2 previous wins over 'keeping my hands down Hatton' and a past his prime, severly weight drained ODH. People really need to wakeup and put things into perspective...

I will say this...It's a releif at least on this forum it's more evenly split in terms who posters feel will win...but others forums and articles I've read have Pac an 8-1 favorite!?!? Unbelievable

Your Quote " The majority of fans don't know shit about boxing " ?
Well let me start by saying , that personally I am going for a PACMAN win inside 6 rounds . But i like both fighters as they are exciting to watch , and I will be happy whoever wins.
As for opinions like mine " making you sick to your stomach" I find this laughable at best.
Not only should you take time away from masturbating furiously over pictures of the love of your life Cotto , myself and many other fine posters on Saddo's were watching boxing when your were a "GLINT IN THE MILKMAN'S EYE" . If by any chance you are not a prepubescent teen , then you are a mere idiot.
So to sum up your Highness , every one's opinions differ , that's what makes boxing great to watch and discuss.
More to the point thats what makes SADDO BOXING GREAT.
The prosecution rests.

No need to repeat myself , but as i said at the time you are an idiot.

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Originally Posted by sanchez786

And it's making me sick to my stomach. Being an avid boxing fan, I'm quite amped up for the Cotto/Pac showdown. What's really irking me is how so many MORONS out there who claim to know anything about boxing, actually beleive that Pac will stop Cotto specifically in the early rounds!!!!

Are you kidding me!? It's bad enough for those who see Pac as a 3-1 favorite but to think he will stop Cotto?!!? Do these so called boxing fans and critics know anything at all about Cotto? Cotto has taken the best shots from Zab and Mosley and was never knocked down (I mention these 2 fighters specifically as they are in the same vicininty in terms of speed as Pac but hit much harder!). Cotto took a pounding from a huge 147lb'r in Marg and STILL wasn't knocked down...that too with possible plaster'd wraps.

How anyone thinks Pac who is coming up in weight to a prime Cotto at 145lb (still a bitch move on Pac's team to force Cotto to meet 145lb and fight a possibley weight drained Cotto ala ODH) is beyond me.
Unless the weight drain has effected Cotto (we'll know this in the first few rounds) there is no way IMO, that Pac stops Cotto...in fact, I'm calling Cotto to win a UD.

Too many people are getting carried with Pac's 2 previous wins over 'keeping my hands down Hatton' and a past his prime, severly weight drained ODH. People really need to wakeup and put things into perspective...

I will say this...It's a releif at least on this forum it's more evenly split in terms who posters feel will win...but others forums and articles I've read have Pac an 8-1 favorite!?!? Unbelievable

Your Quote " The majority of fans don't know shit about boxing " ?
Well let me start by saying , that personally I am going for a PACMAN win inside 6 rounds . But i like both fighters as they are exciting to watch , and I will be happy whoever wins.
As for opinions like mine " making you sick to your stomach" I find this laughable at best.
Not only should you take time away from masturbating furiously over pictures of the love of your life Cotto , myself and many other fine posters on Saddo's were watching boxing when your were a "GLINT IN THE MILKMAN'S EYE" . If by any chance you are not a prepubescent teen , then you are a mere idiot.
So to sum up your Highness , every one's opinions differ , that's what makes boxing great to watch and discuss.
More to the point thats what makes SADDO BOXING GREAT.
The prosecution rests.

No need to repeat myself , but as i said at the time you are an idiot.

First of all, this is a boxing forum so stick to boxing. Please share your thoughts on masturbation with your mother as I'm sure she would be more then happy to oblige.

Secondly, I will be the first to admit that my prediction was wrong and for the record, I'm also a Pac fan as well (read my other posts). It was the REASONING behind the odds is what didn't make sense to me. It seems everyone was basing the outcome of this fight on Pac's performance against Hatton and ODLH which is what I didn't understand. Those are not examples once should use to determine odds but regardless it was a great fight.

If only Cotto stuck to his jab and pick his spots like he did the first round but when he somewhat abandoned it and started to trade with Pac, he was in trouble.

The deciding factor in this fight was not only Pac's speed, but the unorthodox angle he throws his punches. What's amazing is there were times Cotto landed some flush punches but it didn't even phase Pac! I thought once Pac tastes Cotto power, he would be reluctant to trade but that was not the case at all which is what really perplexed me.

Regardless, this was a great for boxing fans! It's time to bring out Mayweather!

In the meantime Dark Lord Al, you can resume your erotic thoughts on breastfeeding as it appears your mother cut you off a tad to early...or to late.

Originally Posted by sanchez786

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Your Quote " The majority of fans don't know shit about boxing " ?
Well let me start by saying , that personally I am going for a PACMAN win inside 6 rounds . But i like both fighters as they are exciting to watch , and I will be happy whoever wins.
As for opinions like mine " making you sick to your stomach" I find this laughable at best.
Not only should you take time away from masturbating furiously over pictures of the love of your life Cotto , myself and many other fine posters on Saddo's were watching boxing when your were a "GLINT IN THE MILKMAN'S EYE" . If by any chance you are not a prepubescent teen , then you are a mere idiot.
So to sum up your Highness , every one's opinions differ , that's what makes boxing great to watch and discuss.
More to the point thats what makes SADDO BOXING GREAT.
The prosecution rests.

No need to repeat myself , but as i said at the time you are an idiot.

First of all, this is a boxing forum so stick to boxing. Please share your thoughts on masturbation with your mother as I'm sure she would be more then happy to oblige.

Secondly, I will be the first to admit that my prediction was wrong and for the record, I'm also a Pac fan as well (read my other posts). It was the REASONING behind the odds is what didn't make sense to me. It seems everyone was basing the outcome of this fight on Pac's performance against Hatton and ODLH which is what I didn't understand. Those are not examples once should use to determine odds but regardless it was a great fight.

If only Cotto stuck to his jab and pick his spots like he did the first round but when he somewhat abandoned it and started to trade with Pac, he was in trouble.

The deciding factor in this fight was not only Pac's speed, but the unorthodox angle he throws his punches. What's amazing is there were times Cotto landed some flush punches but it didn't even phase Pac! I thought once Pac tastes Cotto power, he would be reluctant to trade but that was not the case at all which is what really perplexed me.

Regardless, this was a great for boxing fans! It's time to bring out Mayweather!

In the meantime Dark Lord Al, you can resume your erotic thoughts on breastfeeding as it appears your mother cut you off a tad to early...or to late.

So what you're saying is that the morons who know nothing about boxing got it right but for the wrong reasons, wheras although you got the result entirely wrong your reasons for doing so were correct?

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by sanchez786

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

No need to repeat myself , but as i said at the time you are an idiot.

First of all, this is a boxing forum so stick to boxing. Please share your thoughts on masturbation with your mother as I'm sure she would be more then happy to oblige.

Secondly, I will be the first to admit that my prediction was wrong and for the record, I'm also a Pac fan as well (read my other posts). It was the REASONING behind the odds is what didn't make sense to me. It seems everyone was basing the outcome of this fight on Pac's performance against Hatton and ODLH which is what I didn't understand. Those are not examples once should use to determine odds but regardless it was a great fight.

If only Cotto stuck to his jab and pick his spots like he did the first round but when he somewhat abandoned it and started to trade with Pac, he was in trouble.

The deciding factor in this fight was not only Pac's speed, but the unorthodox angle he throws his punches. What's amazing is there were times Cotto landed some flush punches but it didn't even phase Pac! I thought once Pac tastes Cotto power, he would be reluctant to trade but that was not the case at all which is what really perplexed me.

Regardless, this was a great for boxing fans! It's time to bring out Mayweather!

In the meantime Dark Lord Al, you can resume your erotic thoughts on breastfeeding as it appears your mother cut you off a tad to early...or to late.

So what you're saying is that the morons who know nothing about boxing got it right but for the wrong reasons, wheras although you got the result entirely wrong your reasons for doing so were correct?

I guess you could say that...I guess I'm not explaining myself in a manner that is easy to understand. For example, if you ask the general boxing public if Mike Tyson (the Tyson of now) was to fight Vitali , I woudn't be surprised that if the majority of the general pubic would think Tyson would KO Vitali in the 1st round.

This is why I like this forum...posters on this site are actually well educated in the boxing world. The 50/50 split of posters believing either Pac/Cotto win is proof of that where as if you go on any off topic/random sports forum, Pac was an 90% favorite simply because of the fact that he beat an over the hill/weight drained ODLH and overrated Ricky Hatton. Majority of them probably don't know much about Cotto and his victories over fast fighters like Mosley and Judah.

At any rate, it's moot point. Congrats to Pac for a job well done! As far as Cotto is concerned and his comments about still wanting to fight...I think his next fight will be with Hatton.