Mosley and Margarito are known cheats, and Pacman is highly suspected now since he has refused to take a blood test. What are their legacies since many of their high profile victories are under serious suspicion?
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What are The Legacies of Pacman, Mosley, Margarito
Mosley and Margarito are known cheats, and Pacman is highly suspected now since he has refused to take a blood test. What are their legacies since many of their high profile victories are under serious suspicion?
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Wow, guilty until proven innocent.Lets see what happens with Manny before we start stoneing him.
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It is wayyyyyyy too early to talk about Pacman's legacy about drugs, let's see if he accepts the Olympic method first and then let's see if they find something. For the moment, it is totally irrelevant and it is just adding some unnecessary circus aspect to what can be one of the greatest showdown of 2010.Originally Posted by generalbulldog
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Hmmm....A bit harsh no? I mean what has Manny really done to show he uses roids? He is a little guy who has almost zero body fat and never can anyone say they ever seen him out of shape or pudgy.....
His punching power is a bit exaggerated at LWW and WW the Cotto fight proved that sure he has pop in his punches but it is the punches in bunches that has been the key...
So he refused a test...WTF do these guys need to take a test everytime someone accuses them of something?
And no they do not need to just btake the test to prove everyone wrong then move on...Hell it is a freaking insult....
As bad as when Christy Martin said she woulkd not fight Rijker until a test proved she was a woman...Was Lucia supposed to humiliate herself just to satisfy her opp who was goading her and effect her mindset...
The fighters are bdrug tested before and after their fights the test can be done then
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Daxx, that is complete shit. Every boxer should be subject to the Olympic style tests, the ones put in place by boxing commissions worldwide are a joke, hell I could probably easily get hold of PEDs to get around the testing for my amateur fights, which are certainly not much more stringent than those that the major commissions are using.
As for the Christy Martin comparison, those are two different things. One was clearly trying to humiliate her opponent, the Pacquiao-Mayweather situation is the two best fighters of our generation showing the world that they can do what they've done without the aid of PEDs.
Anyway, back to the topic. I still refuse to believe Pacquiao is doing it. If he calls off a probably $30m payday because of it then I will have to be suspicious, but he hasn't done that yet so he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Mosley seems to have largely got away with using PEDs by saying he didn't know, something I truly believed until this year, when I realized all available evidence pointed to him being well aware. But truthfully use of PEDs still doesn't get that bad a rap, both Jones & Mosley who almost certainly used them enjoy great standing with boxing fans.
Margarito on the other hand was using a method that could kill an opponent. He will forever be tarnished & will fade into history as the cheat he is.
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Just as much as it is complete shit that Mayweather does not think he should be fined for not coming in on the agreed weight...Daxx, that is complete shit. Every boxer should be subject to the Olympic style tests, the ones put in place by boxing commissions worldwide are a joke, hell I could probably easily get hold of PEDs to get around the testing for my amateur fights, which are certainly not much more stringent than those that the major commissions are using.
As for the Christy Martin comparison, those are two different things. One was clearly trying to humiliate her opponent, the Pacquiao-Mayweather situation is the two best fighters of our generation showing the world that they can do what they've done without the aid of PEDs.
Anyway, back to the topic. I still refuse to believe Pacquiao is doing it. If he calls off a probably $30m payday because of it then I will have to be suspicious, but he hasn't done that yet so he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Mosley seems to have largely got away with using PEDs by saying he didn't know, something I truly believed until this year, when I realized all available evidence pointed to him being well aware. But truthfully use of PEDs still doesn't get that bad a rap, both Jones & Mosley who almost certainly used them enjoy great standing with boxing fans.
Margarito on the other hand was using a method that could kill an opponent. He will forever be tarnished & will fade into history as the cheat he is.
The test itself is not an issue for me...In my opinion every fighter should be subjected to an extreme amount of testing for various substances like the ones used in the Olympics every time they have more then a 3 month gap between fight or test but my point is just because the man denies to take a test that Floyd demands it is unfair to label him a cheat....
Floyd is a master of bullshit as we all know...Funny how he manages to take focus off the fact he refuses to accept the demands of Manny's camp that he be severly fined for not making weight by having his PR people push this to all the press,,,
I compared it to the Martin Rijker fight because it is an example of one fighter using the press as a way to discredit the other while escaping any efforts on their behalf to meet any type of demands set upon them
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Insult or not, we pay the money to watch these guys fight and without the fans these guys are nothing. They would have no where near the money they have now and would not have the world wide fame. So whats a couple of drops of blood for 40mil especially if there is nothing to hide in the first place. I believe if you are prepared to compete at this level then be prepared to be tested. I think every sport at a high level should have the strictest possible drug testing programs. I hope pac hasnt been using but now that this has happened I think he should do it just to prove everyone wrong. If he doesnt then everyone is going to say "remember when pac didnt take the drug test, he was obviously a cheater".
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I am a notoriously known for my despise toward Mayweather. I hate him for every aspect of what he is, really. On the other hand, I like Manny but not enough to be a first class ticket owner of the packwagon, far from it.Just as much as it is complete shit that Mayweather does not think he should be fined for not coming in on the agreed weight...Daxx, that is complete shit. Every boxer should be subject to the Olympic style tests, the ones put in place by boxing commissions worldwide are a joke, hell I could probably easily get hold of PEDs to get around the testing for my amateur fights, which are certainly not much more stringent than those that the major commissions are using.
As for the Christy Martin comparison, those are two different things. One was clearly trying to humiliate her opponent, the Pacquiao-Mayweather situation is the two best fighters of our generation showing the world that they can do what they've done without the aid of PEDs.
Anyway, back to the topic. I still refuse to believe Pacquiao is doing it. If he calls off a probably $30m payday because of it then I will have to be suspicious, but he hasn't done that yet so he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Mosley seems to have largely got away with using PEDs by saying he didn't know, something I truly believed until this year, when I realized all available evidence pointed to him being well aware. But truthfully use of PEDs still doesn't get that bad a rap, both Jones & Mosley who almost certainly used them enjoy great standing with boxing fans.
Margarito on the other hand was using a method that could kill an opponent. He will forever be tarnished & will fade into history as the cheat he is.
The test itself is not an issue for me...In my opinion every fighter should be subjected to an extreme amount of testing for various substances like the ones used in the Olympics every time they have more then a 3 month gap between fight or test but my point is just because the man denies to take a test that Floyd demands it is unfair to label him a cheat....
Floyd is a master of bullshit as we all know...Funny how he manages to take focus off the fact he refuses to accept the demands of Manny's camp that he be severly fined for not making weight by having his PR people push this to all the press,,,
I compared it to the Martin Rijker fight because it is an example of one fighter using the press as a way to discredit the other while escaping any efforts on their behalf to meet any type of demands set upon them
Personally, I think that there is a difference between a needle that will barely go under your skin to mark you forever and one that will literally get in your vein and pump your blood. As much as it is different, blooddraw do not suck up your energy; When I was way too poor and not in the best moment of my life, I went to do some clinical studies for a few K and I have had a lot of blooddraws. It never affected me because the quantity taken was way too small.
Ss much as he might dislike blood draws, I don't see how this demand from Mayweather is unreasonable and I don't see how it could drain Manny more than him. Blooddraws for such analyze aren't that big and I do not see how it could drain them. If Pacman refuses that for 30-40 millions in return, I will have suspicions forever.
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You might have missed the numerous posts that mentioned it in other threads Daxx, but Mayweather has agreed to the $10m per lb clause put forward by Pacquiao's team.Just as much as it is complete shit that Mayweather does not think he should be fined for not coming in on the agreed weight...Daxx, that is complete shit. Every boxer should be subject to the Olympic style tests, the ones put in place by boxing commissions worldwide are a joke, hell I could probably easily get hold of PEDs to get around the testing for my amateur fights, which are certainly not much more stringent than those that the major commissions are using.
As for the Christy Martin comparison, those are two different things. One was clearly trying to humiliate her opponent, the Pacquiao-Mayweather situation is the two best fighters of our generation showing the world that they can do what they've done without the aid of PEDs.
Anyway, back to the topic. I still refuse to believe Pacquiao is doing it. If he calls off a probably $30m payday because of it then I will have to be suspicious, but he hasn't done that yet so he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Mosley seems to have largely got away with using PEDs by saying he didn't know, something I truly believed until this year, when I realized all available evidence pointed to him being well aware. But truthfully use of PEDs still doesn't get that bad a rap, both Jones & Mosley who almost certainly used them enjoy great standing with boxing fans.
Margarito on the other hand was using a method that could kill an opponent. He will forever be tarnished & will fade into history as the cheat he is.
The test itself is not an issue for me...In my opinion every fighter should be subjected to an extreme amount of testing for various substances like the ones used in the Olympics every time they have more then a 3 month gap between fight or test but my point is just because the man denies to take a test that Floyd demands it is unfair to label him a cheat....
Floyd is a master of bullshit as we all know...Funny how he manages to take focus off the fact he refuses to accept the demands of Manny's camp that he be severly fined for not making weight by having his PR people push this to all the press,,,
I compared it to the Martin Rijker fight because it is an example of one fighter using the press as a way to discredit the other while escaping any efforts on their behalf to meet any type of demands set upon them
If Pacquiao doesn't now take this fight that would likely net him upwards of $40m, then there will be suspicion over him forever. For that kind of money it would be better to take the fight & lose.
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Im not a fan of this whole drug cheat bollox
Nothing proven, nothing sticks. Noting taken away form anyone's legacy.
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Margariot - CHEAT
Mosley - CHEAT
Pacquiao - Judge when something is PROVEN
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There was NOTHING found in Tony Margarito's wraps that was in any way harmful to his opponent Shane Mosely. So please explain the "METHOD he is supposed to have usedDaxx, that is complete shit. Every boxer should be subject to the Olympic style tests, the ones put in place by boxing commissions worldwide are a joke, hell I could probably easily get hold of PEDs to get around the testing for my amateur fights, which are certainly not much more stringent than those that the major commissions are using.
As for the Christy Martin comparison, those are two different things. One was clearly trying to humiliate her opponent, the Pacquiao-Mayweather situation is the two best fighters of our generation showing the world that they can do what they've done without the aid of PEDs.
Anyway, back to the topic. I still refuse to believe Pacquiao is doing it. If he calls off a probably $30m payday because of it then I will have to be suspicious, but he hasn't done that yet so he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Mosley seems to have largely got away with using PEDs by saying he didn't know, something I truly believed until this year, when I realized all available evidence pointed to him being well aware. But truthfully use of PEDs still doesn't get that bad a rap, both Jones & Mosley who almost certainly used them enjoy great standing with boxing fans.
Margarito on the other hand was using a method that could kill an opponent. He will forever be tarnished & will fade into history as the cheat he is.
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There was NOTHING found in Tony Margarito's wraps that was in any way harmful to his opponent Shane Mosely. So please explain the "METHOD he is supposed to have usedDaxx, that is complete shit. Every boxer should be subject to the Olympic style tests, the ones put in place by boxing commissions worldwide are a joke, hell I could probably easily get hold of PEDs to get around the testing for my amateur fights, which are certainly not much more stringent than those that the major commissions are using.
As for the Christy Martin comparison, those are two different things. One was clearly trying to humiliate her opponent, the Pacquiao-Mayweather situation is the two best fighters of our generation showing the world that they can do what they've done without the aid of PEDs.
Anyway, back to the topic. I still refuse to believe Pacquiao is doing it. If he calls off a probably $30m payday because of it then I will have to be suspicious, but he hasn't done that yet so he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Mosley seems to have largely got away with using PEDs by saying he didn't know, something I truly believed until this year, when I realized all available evidence pointed to him being well aware. But truthfully use of PEDs still doesn't get that bad a rap, both Jones & Mosley who almost certainly used them enjoy great standing with boxing fans.
Margarito on the other hand was using a method that could kill an opponent. He will forever be tarnished & will fade into history as the cheat he is.
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For sure I missed the other post about Floyd accepting the 10 mil deal when I had made the postYou might have missed the numerous posts that mentioned it in other threads Daxx, but Mayweather has agreed to the $10m per lb clause put forward by Pacquiao's team.Just as much as it is complete shit that Mayweather does not think he should be fined for not coming in on the agreed weight...
The test itself is not an issue for me...In my opinion every fighter should be subjected to an extreme amount of testing for various substances like the ones used in the Olympics every time they have more then a 3 month gap between fight or test but my point is just because the man denies to take a test that Floyd demands it is unfair to label him a cheat....
Floyd is a master of bullshit as we all know...Funny how he manages to take focus off the fact he refuses to accept the demands of Manny's camp that he be severly fined for not making weight by having his PR people push this to all the press,,,
I compared it to the Martin Rijker fight because it is an example of one fighter using the press as a way to discredit the other while escaping any efforts on their behalf to meet any type of demands set upon them
If Pacquiao doesn't now take this fight that would likely net him upwards of $40m, then there will be suspicion over him forever. For that kind of money it would be better to take the fight & lose.
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If Floyd and Manny don't face one another, neither of their names will be mentioned in the ATGs. If the fight falls through because of these blood tests, forget ATGs, Manny's entire career will be suspect.
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