Thread: Al Bernstein On Boxing: Mayweather-Williams Has A Nice Ring To It

Since negotiations fell through for a fight with Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Manny Pacquiao has moved on to find another fight—and a good one. He will follow up his win over Miguel Cotto with a match against one of the six best welterweights in the world—Joshua Clottey. Now it’s Floyd Mayweather’s turn to choose an opponent.

With Floyd, Manny and Clottey accounted for, the rest of the top six (in my opinion) are Shane Mosley, Andre Berto and Paul Williams. Since he fights at other bigger weights some might think it’s a stretch to even list Williams as a welterweight, but he has held that title and says he can easily get down to 147. And, he has made a public statement that he is more than interested in fighting Mayweather on March 13 or another date.

Given all that information, I suggest to you that the sport of boxing would be well served if we had the Berto-Mosley fight on Jan,. 30, the Pacquiao-Clottey fight on March 13, and then the Mayweather-Williams figh... Full Boxing Article here...

I agree now that Pac/Clottey is signed, that if Mayweather/Williams happened it would take a bit of the bad taste away but Floyd wont fight Williams, he wont. Williams is way too dangerous for Floyd mentally, even though i think Floyd would win.

No way it ever happens.

No way maywetaher steps in with Paul Williams...nor Cotto or Margarito either: that ain't maywetaher's MO.

Shane's 38 years old now, so in another year or two, maybe maywetaher will decide it's finally time to step in with Shane.
He'll never fight Berto nor Clottey nor Cory Spinks. He'll NEVER fight a guy like Sergio Da Sex Martinez.


No, I expect maywetaher to decide to dance around with Hands of Marshmallow Malignaggi or possibly 37 year old Nate Campbell who floid'll tell to come up in weight.

floid wants a little guy with no power and no threat to come up to Welterweight.


Ivan Calderon made a crack about that.
Iron Boy is 5 feet tall and 107 lbs.




The Pacquiao fight will still happen, too much money at stake for it not to happen; it'll just be in the Fall is all.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

No way maywetaher steps in with Paul Williams...nor Cotto or Margarito either: that ain't maywetaher's MO.

Shane's 38 years old now, so in another year or two, maybe maywetaher will decide it's finally time to step in with Shane.
He'll never fight Berto nor Clottey nor Cory Spinks. He'll NEVER fight a guy like Sergio Da Sex Martinez.


No, I expect maywetaher to decide to dance around with Hands of Marshmallow Malignaggi or possibly 37 year old Nate Campbell who floid'll tell to come up in weight.

floid wants a little guy with no power and no threat to come up to Welterweight.


Ivan Calderon made a crack about that.
Iron Boy is 5 feet tall and 107 lbs.




The Pacquiao fight will still happen, too much money at stake for it not to happen; it'll just be in the Fall is all.

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I'm no big PBF fan myself and it is warranted to criticize him for not fighting the elite at welterweight. But people are trying too much to hate on him that they go too far and sound completely ignorant. PBF has only fought a small guy once in his career and that was after a 2 year layoff and the fight netted him $10+ million. In fact, in many of PBF fights he has been the significantly smaller guy for example against Corrales, both Castillo fights, Baldomir, De la Hoya. Calderon sounds silly and ignorant for stating that. Floyd does something once and he is all of a sudden accustomed to doing that. Clottey fights a war ridden lightweight Corrales who obviously was shot and no one says a thing. Criticize Floyd for not fighting the elite at welterweight but not for being the bigger guy. Its just a silly attempt. And by the way, your boy Calderon is the REAL "hands of marshmallow". You know with his 6 KOs in 34 fights.

1. Shane Mosely.
2. Miguel Cotto.
3. Antonio Margarito.
4. Manny Pacquiao.
5. Paul Williams.
6. Andre Berto.
7. Joshua Clottey.
8. Cory Spinks.
9. The late Vernon Forrest.
10. Kostya Tszyu.
11. Joel Casamayor.
12. Paul Spadafora.
13. Stevie Johnston.

When Floyd was 130 lbs champ, Prince Naseem Hamed was 126 lbs champ.
14. Prince Naseem Hamed
15. Marco Antonio Barrera.
16. Erik Morales.

These elite fighters were all dukin' it out during the past 9 years; isn't it just a little bit strange that Floyd Mayweather hasn't fought ANY of them ?

Don't forget fellas like Kermit Cintron, Vivian Harris, Acelino Freitas, and Juan Lazcano either.


After 2001 and the magnificent fight with the late Diego Corrales at 130 lbs, floid stopped being a warrior.

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^ I just find it very difficult to believe that EVERY SINGLE ONE of those Great fighters have ducked and avoided the deadly hands of Floyd Mayweather for the past 9 years.

That's basically what people tell me: those fights didn't happen because those guys avoided Floyd, it's all their fault.


Sheesh, it's not like Floyd's this destructive hitter; he gives them boxing lessons with poofy 10 oz Winning Gloves.

Based on quality of opposition during the past 9 years, look at his record and tell me what warrants putting Floyd as the #1 Pound-For-Pound or even better, an All-Time Great ?

He did NOT fight the best fighters of his generation.
In the last 9 years, Ricky Hatton is the only TRUE Top guy that Floyd has fought.

He preferred to spend the New Millennium fighting mostly guys like:

henry bruseles.
carlos hernandez.
jesus chavez.
victoriano sosa.
philip n'dou.
demarcus corley.
carlos baldomir.

^ List doesn't quite match up to the Great world-class opposition he could've ben fighting instead that were available.

Floyd wasted the past 9 years of his God-given talent on these guys instead of shining like gold the way he does when he steps in with a live prime elite guy ie Corrales, Hatton.


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Originally Posted by bradlee180

1. Shane Mosely.
2. Miguel Cotto.
3. Antonio Margarito.
4. Manny Pacquiao.
5. Paul Williams.
6. Andre Berto.
7. Joshua Clottey.
8. Cory Spinks.
9. The late Vernon Forrest.
10. Kostya Tszyu.
11. Joel Casamayor.
12. Paul Spadafora.
13. Stevie Johnston.

When Floyd was 130 lbs champ, Prince Naseem Hamed was 126 lbs champ.
14. Prince Naseem Hamed
15. Marco Antonio Barrera.
16. Erik Morales.

These elite fighters were all dukin' it out during the past 9 years; isn't it just a little bit strange that Floyd Mayweather hasn't fought ANY of them ?

Don't forget fellas like Kermit Cintron, Vivian Harris, Acelino Freitas, and Juan Lazcano either.


After 2001 and the magnificent fight with the late Diego Corrales at 130 lbs, floid stopped being a warrior.

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It makes great sense to criticize PBF's welterweight tenure. But with that list you name you could do that with just about any fighter. Kostya Tszyu didn't fight any of those names on your list. Forrest only fought Mosley. PBF has a better resume than anybody on your list except Mosley's and Pac's. PBF cleared out 130 and Hamed, Barrera, or Morales weren't moving up to face PBF. None made an attempt. I know that and you know that. You can't blame everything on PBF. Freitas, Lazcano, and Vivian Harris Laughable. Not worth breaking down. Nearly all the names you have on here are not anything better than who he beat in Hatton, Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Baldomir, and De la Hoya. Somehow you forgot to mention that after PBF cleared out 130 he went right to the 135 king, Castillo, and fought him twice. Once again, you can take almost any modern fighter who ever fought and then list a great number of good fighters he didn't fight. If PBF beats Corrales and Castillo you can't say but he didn't fight Spadafora or Freitas. Fighters can't fight 100+ fights anymore therefore one fighter can not fight everybody of note in every weight class. And I do agree with what is true in your argument and that is PBF's welterweight tenure needs to be better. He has avoided the elite there.

Originally Posted by blegit

Originally Posted by bradlee180

1. Shane Mosely.
2. Miguel Cotto.
3. Antonio Margarito.
4. Manny Pacquiao.
5. Paul Williams.
6. Andre Berto.
7. Joshua Clottey.
8. Cory Spinks.
9. The late Vernon Forrest.
10. Kostya Tszyu.
11. Joel Casamayor.
12. Paul Spadafora.
13. Stevie Johnston.

When Floyd was 130 lbs champ, Prince Naseem Hamed was 126 lbs champ.
14. Prince Naseem Hamed
15. Marco Antonio Barrera.
16. Erik Morales.

These elite fighters were all dukin' it out during the past 9 years; isn't it just a little bit strange that Floyd Mayweather hasn't fought ANY of them ?

Don't forget fellas like Kermit Cintron, Vivian Harris, Acelino Freitas, and Juan Lazcano either.


After 2001 and the magnificent fight with the late Diego Corrales at 130 lbs, floid stopped being a warrior.

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It makes great sense to criticize PBF's welterweight tenure. But with that list you name you could do that with just about any fighter. Kostya Tszyu didn't fight any of those names on your list. Forrest only fought Mosley. PBF has a better resume than anybody on your list except Mosley's and Pac's. PBF cleared out 130 and Hamed, Barrera, or Morales weren't moving up to face PBF. None made an attempt. I know that and you know that. You can't blame everything on PBF. Freitas, Lazcano, and Vivian Harris Laughable. Not worth breaking down. Nearly all the names you have on here are not anything better than who he beat in Hatton, Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Baldomir, and De la Hoya. Somehow you forgot to mention that after PBF cleared out 130 he went right to the 135 king, Castillo, and fought him twice. Once again, you can take almost any modern fighter who ever fought and then list a great number of good fighters he didn't fight. If PBF beats Corrales and Castillo you can't say but he didn't fight Spadafora or Freitas. Fighters can't fight 100+ fights anymore therefore one fighter can not fight everybody of note in every weight class. And I do agree with what is true in your argument and that is PBF's welterweight tenure needs to be better. He has avoided the elite there.

Very true. I could give you a long list of fighters that Pacquiao has "avoided". A fighter can't fight everyone anymore. If you want to come out of a decent career with all of your marbles, you shouldn't set your sights on more than 45-60 fights. I also agree that there are more dangerous welters that Floyd has not fought, but at the moment it's looking like he's going to be fighting Cintron or Williams next, so calm yourself, he's not at the end of his career yet, I'm sure there'll be plenty of Floyd-administered ass-whoopings to come.

Whilst I am not a fan of Floyd, he can not fight everyone and he fought less often the higher the weight.

Floyd will demand random poop test on this one.