Thread: when has a defeat ever lifted a boxers career?

alright at journeyman level you look good in a defeat you can earn more as a journey man so careers can be lifted that way

but at the top (or there abouts) has a defeat ever put a fighter in a better position than before the fight?

did this happen with matthew hatton when he lost to alverez?

Originally Posted by erics44

alright at journeyman level you look good in a defeat you can earn more as a journey man so careers can be lifted that way

but at the top (or there abouts) has a defeat ever put a fighter in a better position than before the fight?

did this happen with matthew hatton when he lost to alverez?

Yes Hattons a great example, he has been introduced to a massive HBO audience and showed he is game and tough and this will open big doors in the future for sure and earn him alot more money than he is getting fighting in leisure centres in Manchester.

I think Mccloskeys another one who will now get oppurtunites at world level.

EDIT that Hatton has got a world title shot v Mbaye for the WBA belt. ( not sure if it was one of the whit versions they have about 350 champs these days.)

I would say Maidana v Khan did this to some extent. Maidana lost but his stock went up.


and Rocky Balboa in 76

I actually don't think this is that uncommon. The following fighter's legacies were enhanced because of who they lost to and the courage and skill displayed in those losses.

Battling Nelson loses in 42 rounds against Joe Gans...Joe Gans loses in 15 to Sam Langford while fighting for the second consecutive day...Bob Fitzsimmons at 37 gives Jim Jeffries hell in their second fight...Billy Conn has Joe Louis on the ropes for 12 rounds before being KO'd...Lew Tendler makes Benny Leonard rise to ATGness to beat him in their second fight...Rocky Graziano is impossibly gallant in his loss to Tony Zale...Ezzard Charles, late in his career, becomes the only man to go 15 with Marciano...Tony DeMarco gets a standing ovation from Carmen Basilio's home crowd after being knocked out in Syracuse...Henry Cooper almost takes out Cassius Clay...Danny Lopez proves he has the goods despite losing to Bobby Chacon before they become champions...Ray Leonard becomes recognized as not just a pretty boy in losing to Duran...Ken Norton's rep improved after each of his two losses to Ali...Azumah Nelson burst onto the scene in a gallant loss to Chava...Rafael Marquez's rep was enhanced in his loss to Izzy in their third fight...Arturo Gatti's rep was enhanced in his loss to Mickey Ward...you get the point.

Now if you're asking a little different question like when has a loss led to a guy getting a big fight he might not otherwise have gotten because he performed well? Well, every time a high visibility rematch has been scheduled, right?

Paulie vs Cotto. Paulie showed some grit in that one despite a badly swollen jaw. He won major respect. It helped his career.

Best example maybe of all time was Azhuma Nelson losing To salvadore Sanchez in a savage fight in which Nelson showed his greatness in defeat. He was given a standing O after that classic. Afterwards, he went on to a Hall of Fame career.

There's been a few cases. Vitali Klitschko assumed Lennox Lewis' mantle after he retired thanks to his battling, controversial loss.

Jose Luis Castillo was considered an elite fighter after losing a close decision to Floyd Mayweather.

The unknown Luis Collazo became something of a fan favourite after his disputed loss to Ricky Hatton, and then enhanced it further by losing to Andre Berto.

Ricardo Torres and Paulie Malignaggi largely built their careers around losing in exciting fights to Miguel Cotto.

Henrey Cooper of course is the only boxer to ever get a knighthood, in recognition of his fights with Ali, both TKO defeats.

Chris Eubank got massive repect at the end of his career in taking Calzaghe the full 12 and then mocing up to cruiserweight and losing (I believe twice) to Carl Thompson.

Razor Ruddock lived off his 2 beatings by Tyson, so did Tillis for going the distance with him.

Jersey Joe Wlacott's first "defeat" to Joe Louis got him great resppect.

Roland LaStarza's first defeat to Marciano got him great respect.

Khan to an extent. The loss caused more interest in him than a win and he swapped camps to be with Roach.

Bruno always seemed to manage to raise his stock!

More recently you have to mention morales!wot a great performance against maidana!arguable won the fight with one eye!not bad for a so called has been

The first Holyfield-Bowe fight.

Showed how much heart that he had and that he could share a ring with a young BIG heavyweight... for me that fight stamped him as 'the real deal' and I think it really captured the adoration that the public has had for him... seeing the sheer size differences and the way holyfield tried to boss the fight got him loads of respect from the public.

In recent times Sergio getting the loss to RuPaul...

Antonio Tarver