Thread: The sad story of Juan Manuel Marquez

Has there ever been such a trilogy where a fighter got screwed over as much as he did? What really saddens me is that he gave it his all, left everything in the ring the whole 3 times just to have some judges steal it away from him each and every time. It's sad to think that the record books will show Pacquiao winning 2 out of 3 with 1 draw. Marquez never having won when most people have him winning all fights. Marquez deserved the win, for himself, his career, his family and his fans. Sure us boxing fans know he won but at the end of the day everyone goes by the books, and many years from now thats what people will also go by. My heart aches for Marquez such a sad story from such a great fighter and he will carry these losses with him in what was a brilliant career and one of the best mexicans to ever laced up his gloves.

Very true. Any one with a real interest in the sport will in the future be able to re watch the fight and clearly see JMM's dominance. The record books will say something else though and the casual fan will not understand without taking the time to dig out the fight that JMM sealed his place in the BHOF last night as possibly the greatest Mexican fighter of all time.

Many hearts bleed for Juan Manuel Marquez and deservedly so. The finest Mexican ring technician that ever was, he can never get a break!

It is not far from the truth to consider Juan Manuel Marquez lucky to have been allowed a third crack at boxing's megastar Manny Pacquiao. In fact, he should have considered it a priviledge to have done enough to deserve such a great opportunity. Now... what do most people do when faced with the same good graces?

They throw caution to the wind! They give it hell, their darnest best!

Did JMM honestly do that? No.

He fought well, yes, but he fought a CONSERVATIVE fight!

Lacking is the all out assualt that on pre-fight was the assurance that JMM promised his countrymen and his fans... to deliver a knockout and not let the judges mistakenly judge him again! Wildly, this can be said for the other camp too, and so too for both camps, the fool's assurance could purely just be to effect a fight strategy. Thoughtfully though, who can afford to employ this conservative plan?

To be the challenger in this mega fight and expect to win this MOST IMPORTANT fight of your life in this manner is not taking the bull by the horns. Simply put, it is not of the brightest undertaking that a person who considers himself "wronged" and in on desperate street will course his actions through.

Conversely, a champion can fight conservatively and may still get away with a victory provided the opposition fought a less purposeful fight and was found unconvincing of any level of superiority. By parallel tho, it is almost impossible and only on the rarest of occassions wherein a challenger will accomplish the same, given the same dynamic.

Did JMM, the challenger, leave everything in the ring, and nothing to chance?

The truth in the answer is the same truth as the unfavorable judges scorecards... time and again, in all those disputed times!

Originally Posted by KananKrus

Many hearts bleed for Juan Manuel Marquez and deservedly so. The finest Mexican ring technician that ever was, he can never get a break!

It is not far from the truth to consider Juan Manuel Marquez lucky to have been allowed a third crack at boxing's megastar Manny Pacquiao. In fact, he should have considered it a priviledge to have done enough to deserve such a great opportunity. Now... what do most people do when faced with the same good graces?

They throw caution to the wind! They give it hell, their darnest best!

Did JMM honestly do that? No.

He fought well, yes, but he fought a CONSERVATIVE fight!

Lacking is the all out assualt that on pre-fight was the assurance that JMM promised his countrymen and his fans... to deliver a knockout and not let the judges mistakenly judge him again! Wildly, this can be said for the other camp too, and so too for both camps, the fool's assurance could purely just be to effect a fight strategy. Thoughtfully though, who can afford to employ this conservative plan?

To be the challenger in this mega fight and expect to win this MOST IMPORTANT fight of your life in this manner is not taking the bull by the horns. Simply put, it is not of the brightest undertaking that a person who considers himself "wronged" and in on desperate street will course his actions through.

Conversely, a champion can fight conservatively and may still get away with a victory provided the opposition fought a less purposeful fight and was found unconvincing of any level of superiority. By parallel tho, it is almost impossible and only on the rarest of occassions wherein a challenger will accomplish the same, given the same dynamic.

Did JMM, the challenger, leave everything in the ring, and nothing to chance?

The truth in the answer is the same truth as the unfavorable judges scorecards... time and again, in all those disputed times!

Nicely worded but at the end of the day, this is really irrelevant. Conservative fight or not, he deserved the win.

Ali - Norton

I guess that makes Mayweather the modern day Foreman

Originally Posted by ninjaspy3

Nicely worded but at the end of the day, this is really irrelevant. Conservative fight or not, he deserved the win.

Exactly. Marquez should not be expected to alter his style due to the possibility of unfair/crooked scoring. If he was to open up and go for the knockout he'd be playing into Pacquiao's hands and giving him an advantage. It's a ludicrous argument.

Perhaps he did fight a conservative fight. That is very different to fighting a negative fight, like Dirrell (vs Froch) or Hopkins (vs Calzaghe) or Haye (vs Klitschko) or Mosley against Pac last time out. He didn't hold and he didn't run, he measured distance and countered. He didn't throw as many punches overall, but unlike Pac, he wasted little. He controlled the pace, threw crisp shots in every round and provided far more quality than Pac throughout.

If Marquez was the Top Rank cash cow he would have won via comfortable UD, and everyone knows it.

I always felt the first two fights could have gone either way and were certainly too close to label a robbery. But this one was a stitch-up of the highest order.