Thread: Manny Pacquiao V Juan Manuel Márquez ,a very close,could have gone either way IMO!

Only had a chance to watch the fight today,was working on Saturday night.

From what I read about the fight I was expecting Pacquiao to be totaly out classed and outfought by Marquez but instead I watched a very close fight that could have gone to either boxer.

A lot of the rounds were so close it was hard to split them and as the judges who are not encoraged to give even rounds they must have gone with PacMan because of his work rate.

A draw would have been a fair result IMO.

100% OF ALL PEOPLE WHO DID NOT watch the fight live scored it for Pacquiao!

Perception is EVERYTHING.

Originally Posted by miron_lang

100% OF ALL PEOPLE WHO DID NOT watch the fight live scored it for Pacquiao!

Perception is EVERYTHING.

Poppycock.

Knowing how to score a fight is everything and I have seen it 3 times and still have Marquez the winner by a considerable margin.

Most people have Marquez the winner. I can see how some have it closer. To give Pac the win is understandably only a minority view.

Originally Posted by miles

Poppycock.

Knowing how to score a fight is everything and I have seen it 3 times and still have Marquez the winner by a considerable margin.

Most people have Marquez the winner. I can see how some have it closer. To give Pac the win is understandably only a minority view.

BOLLOCKS

That's all you have in claiming a Marquez victory. I had my round by round score. and i ask you to pick a round where you think i pick Pacquiao wrong.

stop blabbering nonsense and start proving your claim.

Marquez dominated that fight. He was hitting Pacquiao with everything he threw for 12 rounds. Its not the first time that happens. Even if Marquez would paralyze Manny in the ring, they would still rob him.

Katsidis was a harder match.

Originally Posted by badr_hari

Marquez dominated that fight. He was hitting Pacquiao with everything he threw for 12 rounds. Its not the first time that happens. Even if Marquez would paralyze Manny in the ring, they would still rob him.

Katsidis was a harder match.

you can add.

Marquez landed the better shot
Marquez won every round
Marquez was superb..



but thats all you cheer leaders have. your opinion of the fight.

I have it 116-112 Pacquiao

and i can defend my score. most of you probably did not score it at all.

again perception equals ALL

-Peace

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Originally Posted by miles

Poppycock.

Knowing how to score a fight is everything and I have seen it 3 times and still have Marquez the winner by a considerable margin.

Most people have Marquez the winner. I can see how some have it closer. To give Pac the win is understandably only a minority view.

BOLLOCKS

That's all you have in claiming a Marquez victory. I had my round by round score. and i ask you to pick a round where you think i pick Pacquiao wrong.

stop blabbering nonsense and start proving your claim.

I have given my own card too and started a thread on giving cards. Put your own card besides my own and you can see for yourself any discrepancy.

However as I have repeated all too many times, we can can just subtract my own views and that is just one less card for Marquez in a plethora of Marquez cards. It is difficult to argue with such an overwhelming tide having one man as the winner.

I have made my own case for why Marquez won repeatedly and am a bit bored with doing so now. I am content with my views and will simply refer to this fight as a Marquez win and knowing that popular opinion is with me, I don't think it an overtly controversial thing to do.

It was a fine performance and it was good to see someone using their brain to beat Manny.

I think it all comes down to what you favour when you are scoring a fight.

If you go for work rate and landing the more shots you are likley to go for PM but if you prefere harder cleaner shots you would proboly go for JMM.

Either way,it was a close but NOT controvercial desision.

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Marquez landed the better shot
Marquez won every round
Marquez was superb..

I have it 116-112 Pacquiao

You should say: "I love Pacquiao, but i saw him losing to a better and smarter fighter and i was very disappointed. Suddenly i see the judges giving the win to my man, and "Oh yeah" now i am free to go in the boxing forum talk about how i had it 116-112 and how Pacquiao is still P4P, etc etc"

Again, Katsidis was harder to beat.

Originally Posted by miron_lang

100% OF ALL PEOPLE WHO DID NOT watch the fight live scored it for Pacquiao!

Perception is EVERYTHING.

Untrue. I gave the dvd to my folks who are in their eighties been into fights since their teens they both had Jmm winning but only just and they dont give a rats who wins.

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Originally Posted by badr_hari

Marquez dominated that fight. He was hitting Pacquiao with everything he threw for 12 rounds. Its not the first time that happens. Even if Marquez would paralyze Manny in the ring, they would still rob him.

Katsidis was a harder match.

you can add.

Marquez landed the better shot
Marquez won every round
Marquez was superb..



but thats all you cheer leaders have. your opinion of the fight.

I have it 116-112 Pacquiao

and i can defend my score. most of you probably did not score it at all.

again perception equals ALL

-Peace

With that score you have to be scoring taps and glances like in amateur fights?

Originally Posted by porkypara

I think it all comes down to what you favour when you are scoring a fight.

If you go for work rate and landing the more shots you are likley to go for PM but if you prefere harder cleaner shots you would proboly go for JMM.

Either way,it was a close but NOT controvercial desision.

I agree with all of that and as an amateur fight I would be forced to give it to Pac on your exact reasons.

This was a pro fight and I gave those rounds to Jmm for your other reason in bold. I didnt score glances and clean taps or ones checked by a glove or ones that touched but Juans head was already moving back or out in reaction. Juan remained in full contact range and yet disolved most of Pacs power but was right there to return those hits with interest added.
That takes so much more skill to do that.
More so against a fighter of Pacs caliber!

Originally Posted by miron_lang

100% OF ALL PEOPLE WHO DID NOT watch the fight live scored it for Pacquiao!

Perception is EVERYTHING.

Congratulations! with this ridiculous, unfounded, impossible to prove, clearly irrational statement you revealed yourself as a first class idiot and have null and voided any previous claims or indeed even your future ability to make respected judgements on fights.

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by miron_lang

100% OF ALL PEOPLE WHO DID NOT watch the fight live scored it for Pacquiao!

Perception is EVERYTHING.

Untrue. I gave the dvd to my folks who are in their eighties been into fights since their teens they both had Jmm winning but only just and they dont give a rats who wins.

Maybe they already need glasses.

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by porkypara

I think it all comes down to what you favour when you are scoring a fight.

If you go for work rate and landing the more shots you are likley to go for PM but if you prefere harder cleaner shots you would proboly go for JMM.

Either way,it was a close but NOT controvercial desision.

I agree with all of that and as an amateur fight I would be forced to give it to Pac on your exact reasons.

This was a pro fight and I gave those rounds to Jmm for your other reason in bold. I didnt score glances and clean taps or ones checked by a glove or ones that touched but Juans head was already moving back or out in reaction. Juan remained in full contact range and yet disolved most of Pacs power but was right there to return those hits with interest added.
That takes so much more skill to do that.
More so against a fighter of Pacs caliber!

Scoring is so subjective.

Boxing history is full of examples of boxers winning by throwing more shots.

Calzaghe-Hopkins and Leonard-Hagler come to mine as examples of close fights where the fighter that threw the most shots won.