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    Default The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    I'm putting together a series of articles based on the greatest fighters of the original 8 weigh classes. But rather than me picking the fighters I believe to be the best, I want the public to vote. Of course, choosing 1 fighter per weight class will be next to impossible. So, you are allowed 3 Honourable Mentions per division ie, Heavyweight All Time Champion, Ali. Honourable Mentions Louis, Tyson and Holmes

    So, let me have it.

    Flyweight All Time Champion:
    Honourable mentions

    Bantamweight All Time Champion:
    Honourable Mentions

    Featherweight All Time Champion:
    Honourable Mentions

    Lightweight All Time Champion:
    Honourable Mentions

    Welterweight All Time Champion:
    Honourable Mentions

    Middleweight All Time Champion:
    Honourable Mentions

    LightHeavyweight All Time Champion:
    Honourable Mention

    Heavyweight All Time Champion:
    Honourable mentions

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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    FLYWEIGHT:

    Jimmy Wilde

    Pancho Villa
    Chartchai Chanoi
    *Pascual Perez

    BANTAMWEIGHT:

    Eder Jofre
    Ruben Olivares
    Carlos Zarate
    *Fighting Harada


    FEATHERWEIGHT :

    WILLIE PEP
    Sandy Saddler
    Salvador Sanchez
    *Eusebio Pedroza

    LIGHTWEIGHT :

    Roberto Duran

    Benny Leonard
    Pernell Whitaker
    *Shane Mosley

    WELTERWEIGHT :

    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Henry Armstrong
    *Jose Napoles

    MIDDLEWEIGHT:

    Carlos Monzon
    Marvin Hagler
    Harry Greb
    *Bernard Hopkins

    LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT:

    Roy Jones jr
    Bob Foster
    Ezzard Charles
    *Archie Moore

    HEAVYWEIGHT:

    Muhammad Ali
    Joe Louis
    George Foreman
    *Larry Holmes

    So many honourable mentions i thought i would go top 3 in each division. This is my opinion. Both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquaio come very close, but neither has been champion in these divisions long enough to qualify.

    * fighter who could easily be ranked 2 or 3 IMO.
    Last edited by THE THIRD MAN; 01-01-2012 at 03:29 AM.

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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    Other than the first fighter the rest are in no particular order but all my top 4 or 3

    FEATHERWEIGHT:

    Willie Pep
    Salvador Sanchez
    Sandy Saddler
    Erik Morales
    Alexis Arguello
    Pancho Villa
    Jimmy Wilde




    LIGHTWEIGHT :

    Roberto Duran
    Manny Pacquiao
    Pernell Whitaker
    Juan Manuel Marquez

    WELTERWEIGHT :

    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Henry Armstrong
    Floyd Mayweather
    Julio Cesar Chavez

    MIDDLEWEIGHT:

    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Carlos Monzon
    Marvin Hagler
    Bernard Hopkins
    Jake La Motta

    LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT:

    Roy Jones jr
    Archie Moore
    Bob Foster
    Ezzard Charles


    HEAVYWEIGHT:

    Muhammad Ali
    Joe Louis
    Rocky Marciano *yes*
    Larry Holmes
    Last edited by outspoken; 12-31-2011 at 10:24 PM.

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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    You guys both know boxing and I like your lists but Pep was not better than Saddler. He was a beautiful boxer and did so many incredible things in the ring but Saddler was too much for him and therefore better.

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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN View Post
    FLYWEIGHT:

    Jimmy Wilde

    Pancho Villa
    Chartchai Chanoi
    *Pascual Perez

    BANTAMWEIGHT:

    Eder Jofre
    Ruben Olivares
    Carlos Zarate
    *Fighting Harada


    FEATHERWEIGHT :

    WILLIE PEP
    Sandy Saddler
    Salvador Sanchez
    *Eusebio Pedroza

    LIGHTWEIGHT :

    Roberto Duran

    Benny Leonard
    Pernell Whitaker
    *Shane Mosley

    WELTERWEIGHT :

    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Henry Armstrong
    *Jose Napoles

    MIDDLEWEIGHT:

    Carlos Monzon
    Marvin Hagler
    Harry Greb
    *Bernard Hopkins

    LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT:

    Roy Jones jr
    Bob Foster
    Ezzard Charles
    *Archie Moore

    HEAVYWEIGHT:

    Muhammad Ali
    Joe Louis
    George Foreman
    *Larry Holmes

    So many honourable mentions i thought i would go top 3 in each division. This is my opinion.
    I would go with this but have Ezzard Charles light heavy and Hagler at middleweight.
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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gocougars3 View Post
    You guys both know boxing and I like your lists but Pep was not better than Saddler. He was a beautiful boxer and did so many incredible things in the ring but Saddler was too much for him and therefore better.
    Unfortunately boxing doesn't really work like that. Sometimes, certain fighters just other fighter's number. Ken norton for instance probably beat Ali twice in their 3 encounters, but it doesn't necessarily make him a greater fighter. Same thing with Marquez - Pacquiao. The Mexican has a good case for beating Manny all three times, but Pacquiao is the far greater fighter

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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vano-irons View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gocougars3 View Post
    You guys both know boxing and I like your lists but Pep was not better than Saddler. He was a beautiful boxer and did so many incredible things in the ring but Saddler was too much for him and therefore better.
    Unfortunately boxing doesn't really work like that. Sometimes, certain fighters just other fighter's number. Ken norton for instance probably beat Ali twice in their 3 encounters, but it doesn't necessarily make him a greater fighter. Same thing with Marquez - Pacquiao. The Mexican has a good case for beating Manny all three times, but Pacquiao is the far greater fighter
    I am not just basing my comment about Saddler on his wins with Pep. He had great technique, he was huge for his weight class, he was very powerful and he was vicious. They are both all time greats.

    I am not sure about Manny being far greater than Marquez either although I think Manny will be far more competitive with Mayweather if they ever fight.

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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gocougars3 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vano-irons View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gocougars3 View Post
    You guys both know boxing and I like your lists but Pep was not better than Saddler. He was a beautiful boxer and did so many incredible things in the ring but Saddler was too much for him and therefore better.
    Unfortunately boxing doesn't really work like that. Sometimes, certain fighters just other fighter's number. Ken norton for instance probably beat Ali twice in their 3 encounters, but it doesn't necessarily make him a greater fighter. Same thing with Marquez - Pacquiao. The Mexican has a good case for beating Manny all three times, but Pacquiao is the far greater fighter
    I am not just basing my comment about Saddler on his wins with Pep. He had great technique, he was huge for his weight class, he was very powerful and he was vicious. They are both all time greats.

    I am not sure about Manny being far greater than Marquez either although I think Manny will be far more competitive with Mayweather if they ever fight.
    you both made valid points sometimes you can beat a fighter and still have the lesser career... but i agree that pacquiao is not that much greater than marquez.

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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    I feel Pacquiao's resume is far greater than Marquez's (who is one of my favourites). MAB, Morales, Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Margo. These are all extremely good wins for a prime featherweight.

    I have Manny top 30 All Time. Marquez probably gets in the top 100

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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    Pacquiao is that much greater than Marquez based on resumes. JMM while a great fighter but he's more known for his fights with Pacquiao than his own achievements. Pacquiao on the other hand is known more for his acheivements than his fights with JMM.

    Pacquiao is the only 4 time lineal champ in history and 1 of 5 teenage lineal champions also in the history of the sport.

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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    Here's what I've got so far....

    Heavy

    Ali
    Louis
    Holmes
    Foreman
    Tyson

    (Then any from Lewis, Frazier, Holyfield, Liston, Marciano, Dempsey & Johnson)

    Light Heavy

    Archie Moore
    Billy Conn
    Ezzard Charles
    Roy Jones Jr
    Michael Spinks
    Jimmy Bivins
    Bob Foster
    Harold Johnson
    Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
    Maxie Rosenbloom
    Tiger Jack Fox


    Middleweight

    1. Marvin Hagler
    2. Carlos Monzon
    3. Harry Greb
    4 Sugar Ray Robinson
    5. Mickey Walker
    6. Charley Burley
    7 Bernard Hopkins
    8 Stanley Ketchel
    9. Marcel Cerdan
    10 Tony Zale

    Lightweight

    1. Roberto Duran
    2. Benny Leonard
    3. Tony Canzoneri
    4. Joe Gans
    5. Ike Williams
    6. Alexis Arguello (Greatest Super Feather of all time)
    7 Beau Jack
    8. Julio Cesar Chavez (All time p4per, but best years at +130
    9. Carlos Ortiz
    10. Lou Ambers
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    Default Re: The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gocougars3 View Post
    You guys both know boxing and I like your lists but Pep was not better than Saddler. He was a beautiful boxer and did so many incredible things in the ring but Saddler was too much for him and therefore better.
    Some fighters had their nemesis, Saddler was definitely Pep's. Norton gave Ali problems, De Jesus always gave Duran headaches, Harada beat Jofre both times, Herrera beat Olivares twice, Monzon had trouble with Valdez, DLH with Mosley and Pacquaio has trouble with Marquez.

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